Now that we have confirmed the competitive mechanics on p99 can be cheated...

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again I think you’re just proving your poor reading comprehension and explaining why to you won’t work because if you have poor reading comprehension you won’t be able to understand it lol

Got it. Riot idiots have their own language that looks like English, but has a whole other meaning that only Riot idiots understand.

[zati]

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[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Players from both sides need to be allowed at the table.

The table is round, unless you're of the guild vs guild mindset.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since Riot now has an officer embedded as a GM, the only solution is to also promote a player from Vanquish to be GM.

<Vanquish> versus GMs? <Harakiri>

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, just because something is exploitable does not mean it has been exploited. The only proven cheater at this point is a Riot officer named Kickenit. Nobody wanted a rules change for the infraction. It would have been satisfactory with a punishment for the player/guild.

Second, rolling swings the solution too far into the other direction. At least ring roll allows a week of competitive turn ins. Why wasn't this mirrored for kael/dain? Why is there zero feedback or discussion with GMs for tuning this decision or proposing alternatives?

Players from both sides need to be allowed at the table. Since Riot now has an officer embedded as a GM, the only solution is to also promote a player from Vanquish to be GM.

So anything short of submitting video evidence of the individuals themselves actively cheating means that no cheating is occurring? Despite the fact that the engagements have been proven to be exploitable? And that nobody actively looking to benefit from said cheating would ever submit proof of themselves cheating unless they were doing it to show the engagement is exploitable so it gets fixed?

I mean, I get it. You're being deliberately obtuse to continue running the distraction in an attempt to get the engagements to remain as-is so that your team who has been actively cheating the engagements can continue being able to do so. I'm more putting this out there for the other people reading to understand how hypocritical you are being when you are saying you don't want /random to kill competition when the alternative is just as anti-competitive, only strictly benefitting any team that cheats. And that the bar for it to be proved that anybody is cheating is to submit a video of yourself doing it, otherwise anything goes.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So anything short of submitting video evidence of the individuals themselves actively cheating means that no cheating is occurring? Despite the fact that the engagements have been proven to be exploitable? And that nobody actively looking to benefit from said cheating would ever submit proof of themselves cheating unless they were doing it to show the engagement is exploitable so it gets fixed?

I mean, I get it. You're being deliberately obtuse to continue running the distraction in an attempt to get the engagements to remain as-is so that your team who has been actively cheating the engagements can continue being able to do so. I'm more putting this out there for the other people reading to understand how hypocritical you are being when you are saying you don't want /random to kill competition when the alternative is just as anti-competitive, only strictly benefitting any team that cheats. And that the bar for it to be proved that anybody is cheating is to submit a video of yourself doing it, otherwise anything goes.

No, you're the one being intentionally obtuse. You want to believe Vanq racers are cheating, so you're willing to accept the Riot koolaid to "confirm" that they are. It's funny that you say "your team" because you're also on the team and haven't removed yourself over this issue last I checked.

But you're still focusing on the wrong thing. The biggest problem here is that Riot gets their way by crying to GMs, one of which is a Riot officer. They're getting these sweeping changers to relegate every contested mob to a roll-off or bag limits so they get a free minimum 20% of ToV mobs to sustain their low effort pixel welfare.

Why wasn't there an open discussion like previous raid rules changes between the major guilds involved? Why are these changes being made without input from Vanquish? It almost just like when the guild first started with whatever name it had and Riot refused to acknowledge them to allow them into raid rotations.

Why is Vanquish still being treated like an entity without any say in the policies on the server that directly impact Vanquish?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Framing the argument that Riot wants engagements to not be cheatable as crying is pretty telling. Saying that because the threshold for the burden of proof is to submit a video of yourself cheating means that in no way was anybody other than Kickenit cheating is pretty telling. Saying that Riot is somehow culpable of exploiting the engages for submitting a video showing that the engages can be cheated and to please at the very least change them to something that can't be cheated is pretty telling.

Nobody believes the nonsense you are saying no matter how many times you or other RNF warriors show up to spout it. The game isn't competitive when the engagements are exploitable. Fix the engagements so people other than those who are morally bankrupt can play the game and compete.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, just because something is exploitable does not mean it has been exploited.

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game isn't competitive when the engagements are exploitable. Fix the engagements so people other than those who are morally bankrupt can play the game and compete.

The game is also not competitive by handing out welfare pixels to anybody who can roll. You ignored my point that Vanquish wasn't even invited to the discussion. The only people involved were Riot officers and GMs.

That's why crying was and still is the correct way to phrase it.

[myrddraal]

10 over immersed neckbeards on suicide watch over recent changes

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game is also not competitive by handing out welfare pixels to anybody who can roll. You ignored my point that Vanquish wasn't even invited to the discussion. The only people involved were Riot officers and GMs.

That's why crying was and still is the correct way to phrase it.

What makes you think there was some secret discussion between Riot and GMs and the GMs didn't just decide to do this after the influx of complaints that finally tipped the scales with Stunningly having tutorials on how to exploit the p99 engages?