Spells: Channeling Fix

[sammoHung]

Nilbog, given the statistical probability of landing a cast through multiple hits - how did Knights fair during classic era?

If they had to perform a roll for each hit mid-cast, it'd be pretty rare for a knight to ever land a spell mid-fight if tanking. Was any research done on this matter to corroborate the proposed change?

[nilbog]

Not sure where you're getting your statistical probability from - you can't see my code proposal.

The information presented in this thread is incomplete, particularly with respect to the referenced decompile data. Any conclusions drawn without that context are inherently limited.

[kallell]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure where you're getting your statistical probability from - you can't see my code proposal.

The information presented in this thread is incomplete, particularly with respect to the referenced decompile data. Any conclusions drawn without that context are inherently limited.

Obviously this probably takes quite a long time to vet out, but is there a rough timeline for the proposed change?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by kallell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously this probably takes quite a long time to vet out, but is there a rough timeline for the proposed change?

Tickets never come with player-visible timelines; it would create more work for the (100% volunteer) dev team.

We'll find out when it gets fixed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Danth]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how did Knights fair during classic era?

As someone who played paladins especially a lot back then, and SK's (as alts) to a lesser extent: Aggro was fine, typically-used aggro spells and stuns casted fast enough that you could either time them between swings or at worst might get hit once. Not a big deal. Disease Cloud doing near-zero aggro on P99 (wasn't nerfed until 2002 in the original timeline) should hopefully be rectified at some point. As noted above, casted feign death could be troublesome if you pulled an entire room and were trying to cast it vs 4 or 5 mobs hitting you. Slow casting spells like the high level lifetaps were difficult to use vs unslowed enemies and pretty much worthless vs multiples, that's a big part of why hybrids were given spellhaste during Velious.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who played paladins especially a lot back then, and SK's (as alts) to a lesser extent: Aggro was fine, typically-used aggro spells and stuns casted fast enough that you could either time them between swings or at worst might get hit once. Not a big deal. Disease Cloud doing near-zero aggro on P99 (wasn't nerfed until 2002 in the original timeline) should hopefully be rectified at some point. As noted above, casted feign death could be troublesome if you pulled an entire room and were trying to cast it vs 4 or 5 mobs hitting you. Slow casting spells like the high level lifetaps were difficult to use vs unslowed enemies and pretty much worthless vs multiples, that's a big part of why hybrids were given spellhaste during Velious.

This helps to shed light on what I'm talking about. If the quick-casting spells were primarily relied upon during combat, because anything longer duration was near-impossible to cast - that lines up with the theory that each additional hit adds a new roll that you must also win to succeed cast.

[sammoHung]

It's a simple equation. To determine the chance of winning all X of X rolls, with starting probability P(1): P(x of x) = P(1) ^ x

[Crede]

this is just gonna start making monks more OP than they already are. I suspect we will see a lot more monk/shaman duos like back in the day or monk cleric bc that is probably the best duo right now.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is just gonna start making monks more OP than they already are. I suspect we will see a lot more monk/shaman duos like back in the day or monk cleric bc that is probably the best duo right now.

Channeling on NPCs is different, sounds like you are implying monks may interrupt casters better? Historically NPCs had insane channeling where PCs had weak channeling

Mcoy has a log where his wizard Qien, maybe 50+, was getting interrupted by green agro skellies

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Channeling on NPCs is different, sounds like you are implying monks may interrupt casters better? Historically NPCs had insane channeling where PCs had weak channeling

Mcoy has a log where his wizard Qien, maybe 50+, was getting interrupted by green agro skellies

On live I would epic rune my 60 wizard (doesn't stop interrupts), aggro nearly the entire 2nd floor of TOFS and get a winds of gelid off. Sometimes I'd get interrupted once or twice then cast it again but it would always go off with like 20+ mobs on me.

WoG has a 6 seconds cast time.



For his monk comment I think he's implying they're already powerhouses and it is going to put them at a greater advantage compared to paladins and shadow knights or even rangers who have to cast while getting beat on to do their job effectively.