Is green + blue confirmed merging?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honest question though, how much "learning" can one do as a caster facing some SK in hyper twink gear with 255 MR or something?

Ya, this is why I hyper-focused on WoW pvp and gave up on EQ pvp

To me, EQ pvp seemed horribly unbalanced. Maybe things changed over time, but in EQ when I was playing if you farmed enough resist gear you could become immune to certain classes

Also, some classes like bards were almost literally un-killable (could run away from everything) unless they went linkdead

I’m sure there was much more broken stuff too. One last thing I remember was zone out then alt-f4 to not zone to other side as a free escape from pvp

[Tunabros]

/sigh

another thread ruined by the drug users of the red server

can't have single normal thread without it being ruined by red players or "cringeposters"

aka starkind/imperiouskitten/gwailer?/mblake/nirgon/recondoejoe

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No matter how many players help you start, there are still players who's only goal is to grief you off the server. You will eventually hit a wall with your character and quit due to lack of viable XP.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been there.

They track you non-stop. You cannot hide behind anon or roleplay because there's a bug that briefly shows your location while you log in or zone, and these people are unrelenting. They tie /who all macros to their movement keys and use gina triggers and bots to catch you out, and when they do, the only choice is to log out.

There's nothing like trying to find an XP spot only to have a 60 druid show up and teleport on top of you and start dotting you.

Or a delevelled rog shows up with a literal raid behind him to keep him buffed and healed and runed so that you cannot even touch him, and his raid is out of level range, so you can't touch them, either.

The griefers are real.

Originally Posted by Polixa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But eventually you get into your 50s and realise the only way to play is to keep pressing /who to stay on alert from being ganked by some rando, and it becomes too annoying so you just quit back to blue where you can actually play the game.

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, that's the way of EQ PvP and always has been. No matter what picture these red trolls try to paint (settling disputes outside the UN, more xp, more raid mobs, more dynamic or fun or interesting gameplay) the main thing they all actually like is griefing. Its the primary draw to EQ PvP and it always drives players away. Here on P99 you don't have enough constant playerbase influx like during the height of the live game, so the griefers eventually cull the server's ability to repopulate, resulting in a dead server.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's underdog status, and then there's facing off against a delevelled rogue with a 60 druid, 60 chanter, and more following him around to make sure he's guaranteed to win. Underdog implies you have a chance, no matter small... There is no chance for victory against conditions like these on red.

It's okay if we have different playstyles and you don't enjoy the pvp in EQ. But, like... are you listening to yourselves? Most EverQuest players I know like to pride themselves on the difficulty of the game (compared to more modern MMOs). The xp loss from pve death, harsh corpse runs, relative power of NPCs compared to players. Reading over these posts though you all sound so beaten down and defeated.

EverQuest isn't really all that hard in reality, but you make the pvp experience out to be practically impossible and not even worth attempting. I leveled my druid in Kunark era up to mid 50s with anon off the entire time, as a super casual player with shit gear. Sometimes I died and sometimes I managed to get kills. That's life, lol. If you die you lns and head to a different zone to continue your little EQ life. Always things to do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give yourselves some credit. You could make it np on red if you wanted to. And it's okay that you don't want to.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EverQuest isn't really all that hard in reality, but you make the pvp experience out to be practically impossible and not even worth attempting.

That's because it IS impossible to kill a delevelled rogue twink being chain runed by a 60 enchanter and chain healed by a 60 druid...

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because it IS impossible to kill a delevelled rogue twink being chain runed by a 60 enchanter and chain healed by a 60 druid...

It's impossible to kill sand giants as an untwinked level 10 nobody, too. The devs still designed them to wander around newbie zones.

I don't see you giving up over that. You're not as weak as you make yourself out to be.

[Tunabros]

no one cares, "pink grape"

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They track you non-stop. You cannot hide behind anon or roleplay because there's a bug that briefly shows your location while you log in or zone, and these people are unrelenting.

There's nothing like trying to find an XP spot only to have a 60 druid show up and teleport on top of you and start dotting you.

Or a delevelled rog shows up with a literal raid behind him to keep him buffed and healed and runed so that you cannot even touch him, and his raid is out of level range, so you can't touch them, either.

This is not an accurate representation of Red and that bug you speak of doesn't happen much. I leveled 3 characters there, across different eras. Never had this kind of issue, especially that ridiculous thing about a de-leveled rogue with a raid behind him. A raid might be passing through a certain area together, but they weren't actively going to random zones with everyone and sitting around on a low level character to kill a random lowbie. The level 60 druid thing, you would have to be at least level 56 for them to hit you. Which is normal PvP. You definitely wouldn't be getting tracked down constantly or anything like that, unless you were in a hated guild or did something awful that would make someone want to do that to you.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boring or not is not the metric involved. Successfully killing raid targets is the metric called out, and red has a sever lacking in this.

Oh, that explains why you have no idea what's going on.

No the server isn't lacking in that. Raids were constantly happening even when the population dipped down. Again, north ToV is hardly the only raid to do in the game.

You're the one who doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on, when did you play the server? It hasn't been that long since I last popped in to play and there's no reason things would suddenly be completely different. The population tracker for the server shows enough are logging on for a raid and at this point in the server's lifespan there's not going to be griefers just sitting around everywhere doing nothing but going after helpless individuals, as you've tried to twist the narrative.

Originally Posted by Polixa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But eventually you get into your 50s and realise the only way to play is to keep pressing /who to stay on alert from being ganked by some rando, and it becomes too annoying so you just quit back to blue where you can actually play the game.

"Playing the game" is not supposed to be sitting in 1 spot like a fucking potato. The danger of possible PvP makes you pay attention to your surroundings more, yes. So what? That makes the game more interesting and is what the game is supposed to actually be like. Unless you're in spot that's popularly contested, then you really won't see hardly any PvP anyway. You get to level faster and have tons of camps available, it easily offsets the very occasional time you might have to actually move if you don't want to engage in PvP.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not an accurate representation of Red and that bug you speak of doesn't happen much. I leveled 3 characters there, across different eras. Never had this kind of issue, especially that ridiculous thing about a de-leveled rogue with a raid behind him. A raid might be passing through a certain area together, but they weren't actively going to random zones with everyone and sitting around on a low level character to kill a random lowbie. The level 60 druid thing, you would have to be at least level 56 for them to hit you. Which is normal PvP. You definitely wouldn't be getting tracked down constantly or anything like that, unless you were in a hated guild or did something awful that would make someone want to do that to you.

My anecdotal experience is very different from yours. You claim that this doesn't happen or that they don't do that. This did happen. They did do that.

You obviously don't play on red99.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No the server isn't lacking in that. Raids were constantly happening even when the population dipped down. Again, north ToV is hardly the only raid to do in the game.

Phinny, fear golems, and VS may be "raids" in the broad sense of the term, but they are not the raids players are looking for. This is literally all they can kill on red any more. Actual raids that people want to attend do not happen on red. They cannot happen on red. The remaining population cannot complete any real raids due to lack of numbers or know how. Or both.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Playing the game" is not supposed to be sitting in 1 spot like a fucking potato. The danger of possible PvP makes you pay attention to your surroundings more, yes. So what? That makes the game more interesting and is what the game is supposed to actually be like. Unless you're in spot that's popularly contested, then you really won't see hardly any PvP anyway. You get to level faster and have tons of camps available, it easily offsets the very occasional time you might have to actually move if you don't want to engage in PvP.

Just feel like there's no point in trying with EQ PvP if you're not playing a certain class. I asked in the thread but never got an answer; what chance, what "learning" can you do if you're playing a typical cloth caster up against SKs or rogues that have been on the server raiding for years, geared out nicely and stacked on a ton of MR?

I started an enchanter on Red a while back, got to level 7, but I feel like many PvP situations would have just been straight up hopeless for her later on. That's even ignoring the straight up gang-beating situations that Samoht describes, which I absolutely do believe can and has happened there. The last thing I remember from my time on Red was one person getting ganked repeatedly somewhere in Kael, and I knew that because PvP deaths are announced server wide.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just feel like there's no point in trying with EQ PvP if you're not playing a certain class. I asked in the thread but never got an answer; what chance, what "learning" can you do if you're playing a typical cloth caster up against SKs or rogues that have been on the server raiding for years, geared out nicely and stacked on a ton of MR?

I started an enchanter on Red a while back, got to level 7, but I feel like many PvP situations would have just been straight up hopeless for her later on. The last thing I remember from my time on Red was one person getting ganked repeatedly somewhere in Kael, and I knew that because PvP deaths are announced server wide.

EQ is heavily team-oriented, so there's no reason you'll need to fight alone in those situations if you don't want to. Enchanters can definitely contribute to fights and they are still Gods of PvE, you would be highly desired for groups. If an opponent happens to not have an anti-mez potion on them, then actually you can do lots of work as an Enchanter, since their Rapture spell is one of the only real ways to actually hold a geared player in place.

Kael is a high level contested zone, so nobody was getting "ganked repeatedly" there. Whoever goes there should know the risk. You can't even be killed repeatedly in the zone if you don't want to be, you just call LnS. If you saw someone getting killed many times in a short period, then it means they were trying to fight, which is their choice.