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[Troy]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Big Satch always be sounding bad to the Cab, I watched that G3 summit shit he did awhile back and it near put me to sleep because it was like 4 hours of Hendrix covers and solo wars between Vai, Satriani and Malmsteen I couldn't feel any energy.

I dig all types of music to an extend (some shit is just intolerable but that's more the select song than the genre) but people that play nothing but extended solos that have some of the weakest riffs make me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, I don't care for too many of his songs either but the guy always has great tone no matter what. Same goes for pretty much every great player I've ever seen.

Not surprising that a bassist wouldn't care for someone like Satch though, the bassist (or drummer for that matter) never does anything interesting in his songs. I'm all for extended solos and 'shreddy' music in general whether it's Wooten, Malmsteen, Coltrane, Vivaldi, or this:

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[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Troy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good players will sound good on just about anything. I've seen a video of Joe Satriani playing some kid's plywood strat through a tiny starter amp, filmed with a cheap digital camera and then run through the horror of youtube audio processing. He still sounded great. Obviously there are exceptions, but gear in general doesn't matter at all. (Yes I still want to buy that $4000 amp though!)

This. Tone is subjective. If you've got it, it's in your hands. You can play nearly anything, and it'll sound like you. That said, there's some technically awesome players who have shit tone. Vai comes to mind. Back in the late 80's, everybody I knew wanted Ty Tabor's tone.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. Tone is subjective. If you've got it, it's in your hands. You can play nearly anything, and it'll sound like you. That said, there's some technically awesome players who have shit tone. Vai comes to mind. Back in the late 80's, everybody I knew wanted Ty Tabor's tone.

Dry tone yeah... Wet tone no.

Certain pick-ups, strings, head units, speakers etc. give off different tones when you modulate them. For example, I get a totally different tone when playing through a 2x15 than I do through a 4x10 because it moves bigger and lower sounds, if I use flatwounds over roundwounds I get a more rounded "damper" sound, if I use tube driven heads I get harder distortions and warmer tones.

Guitar players get a much thicker, aggressive tone when playing through bass cabs than actual guitar cabs is another example, when I change my tech around I'm really just moving around the wet tone to get a sound specific to the genre I play (I.E I want vintage bass units for stoner metal, high-gain processors for something more modern etc.)

So in essence...

Even if Troy played in the same manner as me, and we had the same technical level, technique and sensibilities, I would get a much dirtier, aggressive, bassy tone from my set up and he would get a far more clear and sharp sound from his...

So gear is important for tone

[Troy]

Of course, embed fail. Direct link to poor audio but awesome playing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NXcx1sTpAY

[Troy]

Shorter and slightly more ridiculous one with better audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMouQdQwS3k

I have a violin too but I couldn't play that shit if I spent the rest of my life practicing.

[Troy]

I hate this forum. Now the original embed is showing up.

No wonder I rarely go to rantsnflames, no editing sucks.

[Hasbinbad]

i think, dear abacab, that you're missing their point due to their misuse of the word tone..

abacab is describing tone correctly

troy and bodean are talking about "feel."

There are certain players that will always sound like themselves on any instrument: jimi hendrix, b.b. king, les claypool, etc. These players often do exploit a certain "tone" that accentuates their "feel" (i.e. bb king with lucille), but if you put les claypool on a guitar, a violin, or a fucking drum kit, I would still know that that was les claypool. You can have a hundred different bassists who have studied John the Fisherman for years, put them on the same rig with the same bass, playing the same notes, yet you will know when it's les claypool. Tone can be copied or replicated for the most part. Some analogue audiophiles would argue that some tones are organic and impermanent, but you can almost replicate any analogue tone given enough resources and time. Feel on the other hand, is something that no amount of money and no amount of time can give you; you either have it or you don't.

[Hasbinbad]

not to say that tone can't be generated from a given players feel, but more that the feel, that essence of that player is a combination of more factors than tone (timing, technical skill, dexterity, etc.)

[Lukan]

In a Channel 4 documentary called "Motörhead: Live Fast, Die Old", broadcast on 22 August 2005, it was claimed that Lemmy had "bedded" in excess of 2,000 women. Maxim magazine has Lemmy at number 8 on its top ten "Living Sex Legends" list, as they claim that he has slept with around 1,200 women.

In the documentary he explained that while in school he noticed a pupil who had brought a guitar to school and had been "surrounded by chicks". His mother had a guitar, which he then took to school, even though he could not play, and was himself surrounded by girls: "In those days just having a guitar was enough... that was it".

This covers everything you need to know about guitars and their uses.