TBC Classic

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Nocht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only boe epic I ever had drop was a Kang the Decapitator for my enhancement shaman. The timing was uncanny because I wanted to level out of the 30's pvp bracket after being 39 for months and it dropped around the time I hit level 44. Ended up turning him into a 49 twink and had a blast erasing people with windfury in AB. Good times all around!

Lol nice! Yeah twink BG’s were always super serious. I had a friend who twinked for bg’s, and I used to joke about how he didn’t need to get the absolute best in slot for every slot. He used to get angry and be like “Yes you do, dude! You need it because EVERYONE else is going to have it”. I was like “damn, max lev BG’s aren’t like that”

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Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in original wow, those gloves were shit.
I mean they would be on the AH for 10-15G.

It's the illegal server meta that made that item good.
Nobody used it back then.
A lot like boosts are a thing now but not back then.

But wow that is very lucky for you!

I remember looting those edgemaster's handguard and it was the first epic i ever seen and I was leveling my shaman and made sure everyone green rolled (because it was classic we were still nice to each others, reputation was big) and I won it. (greed too!)
Remember leveling with those was a lot of fun i was so proud to have an epic.

damn that's chance for it to drop * chance to win the roll. Even luckier than I in that scenario, much more

edit: yeah and arena boost selling (for gold or RMT) are a huge problem for retail ATM. If those are as big with TBC arenas as they are in retail (and I don't see any reason they won't be), it will put off arenas for the majority of casual players. Turns out people actually don't like being blown up by some gladiator who also completely outgears them at 1300 rating, who is selling rating to 1800 to some scrub. And then arenas will end up as unpopular as they are on retail right now. Another reason why I'm not super stoked for TBC. It is going to have all the same flaws that the min/max meta created for classic

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: yeah and arena boost selling (for gold or RMT) are a huge problem for retail ATM. If those are as big with TBC arenas as they are in retail (and I don't see any reason they won't be), it will put off arenas for the majority of casual players, and they will end up as unpopular as they are on retail right now. Another reason why I'm not super stoked for TBC. It is going to have all the same flaws that the min/max meta created for classic

This is why i find all players currently playing WoW to be pretty hypocritical if they disagree with these design strategies.

They are literally giving them money to develop this way.

Bizarre but I get that some people can just ignore all the BS and play which I admire, but don't be whining about the little integrity blizzard has when ultimately it seems like current WoW players have zero integrity and are actually enabling blizzard/activision to develop their game this way.

Too big to fail kind of thing.. To bad WoW was the biggest success after Everquest and EQ principles were just forgotten but it seems WoW principles were too as "Classic" was a far cry from "Vanilla".

[Byue]

Originally Posted by Shawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as "Classic" was a far cry from "Vanilla".

Tons of evidence lead us to believe that the experience on P99 is vastly different than in 1999.

Enchanters and charm, for instance.
And with people knowing everything and anything about everything.
We still have fun.

I mean, for the average player, there was still the learning curve for the fights, etc.
(even though fights are very easy in classic)

so top guilds cleared content rapidly but the normal guilds had trouble like back in the day.

A lot like seal team or much less raid target.
And that shit ain't classic.



Wait, what I am trying to say is that it's as classic as they can make a game everyone and their mom knows everything about because part of the classic experience was being a 12 years old idiot who don't know how to wow.

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Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tons of evidence lead us to believe that the experience on P99 is vastly different than in 1999.

Enchanters and charm, for instance.
And with people knowing everything and anything about everything.
We still have fun.

I mean, for the average player, there was still the learning curve for the fights, etc.
(even though fights are very easy in classic)

so top guilds cleared content rapidly but the normal guilds had trouble like back in the day.

A lot like seal team or much less raid target.
And that shit ain't classic.



Wait, what I am trying to say is that it's as classic as they can make a game everyone and their mom knows everything about because part of the classic experience was being a 12 years old idiot who don't know how to wow.

There's some big differences between Classic WoW and P99 though

While RMT'ing pp and items no doubt happens to some extent on P99, it is RAMPANT on WoW. I have never once in all my time playing classic and reading the classic forums heard about a person even temp banned for buying gold. it simply was not policed. At all. So gold buying was rampant, and therefore botting was rampant. They did ban waves of tens of thousands of bot accounts, but it was only like 2 times a year. That didn't even put a dent in the number of bots, because the chinese gold farmers that were doing it had backup accounts lined up a ready to go. You could do a /who all mauradon and see 30 different mages with names like "jsjsk" and no one at blizz cared

Then GDKP started to take over all pug raids, at least when I was playing. And that wouldn't be so much of a problem, but especially on larger servers with gold buying so rampant, if you DIDN'T buy gold or sell boosts as a mage, good luck being able to afford any good items in the bid war. I remember trying to get in a BWL GDKP raid after our guild one didn't happen because not enough people were online. I asked them if they thought it would be even worth coming with how much gold I was brining. "Well how much are your bringing?" Me: "Saved up only about 1.5k so far" Answer: "No, it's not worth coming". And once GDKP took over, soft reserve PuGs started to dry up. That GDKP run was the only PuG BWL happening on my server at the time

Min/max culture aside, classic wow became 100% business, and a RMT business at that. And that's how retail is too, for arenas. So much boosting and buying rating. And it's going to happen in arenas in TBC classic. I didn't do enough PvE in TBC to remember how the raids went to attempt to predict how much GDKP is going to be going on. At least there will still be guilds who will be doing soft reserves, at least at the beginning of TBC

I don't think P99 will ever reach levels of RMT that were happening in Classic WoW

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Here's a fond memory of classic and what made me quit the game. Well, the main reason were that PuG vs PuG bg's basically didn't exist. This was just the nail in the coffin for me

Our guild just didn't have the members to do BWL, and no guilds that did needed hunters. My friend finally found a PuG BWL that was going to run at 9am on a saturday, it wasn't soft reserve, it was just random /roll. I set my alarm and got in it. There were only 2 other hunters in the raid, the leader organizing it who was decked out in full T2 with the BWL xbow and needed zero items from it, and a scrub in greens/blues who joined last minute

During some boss before Chromaggus, we had to alternate a tranq rotation. The leader noticed the other hunter wasn't tranquilizing. We still won because the leader and I were keeping him tranq'ed. After the fight ended, the leader was asking why the other hunter didnt follow the rotation. No answer. Turns out he was the ONLY member of the raid not in discord. So we all had to wait 15 minutes while he went to dig out a headset and load discord because we wanted him for the tranq rotation on chromaggus

Got to Chromaggus, and turns out didn't matter that the scrub hunter found his headset, because he didn't follow the instructions to duck around the corner to avoid his breath attack and died basically in the first minute of the fight. So it was up to me and the leader to keep tranq up and we barely barely won that fight, had like 70% of the raid dead when we won

The scrub had basically died nearly instantly every boss, including Nefarian. He was also just about dead last on dps. Nefarian drops Dragonstalker Chestpiece and guess who wins the roll?

I remember throwing my headset down after that and saying "Yep, done with classic", and I quit and gave away most of my tradeable stuff like 2 weeks later

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tons of evidence lead us to believe that the experience on P99 is vastly different than in 1999.

Enchanters and charm, for instance.
And with people knowing everything and anything about everything.
We still have fun.

I mean, for the average player, there was still the learning curve for the fights, etc.
(even though fights are very easy in classic)

so top guilds cleared content rapidly but the normal guilds had trouble like back in the day.

A lot like seal team or much less raid target.
And that shit ain't classic.



Wait, what I am trying to say is that it's as classic as they can make a game everyone and their mom knows everything about because part of the classic experience was being a 12 years old idiot who don't know how to wow.

P99 is a very good version of Vanilla EQ because it fixes the majority of the issues with Vanilla, mainly bad client issues, interface issues etc.. Being Titanium Client kind of fixed things.

That is a hard comparison to make as P99 has no boosts/instancing etc that destroyed Everquest in the first place for me, Much like with WoW when they introduced instancing and shit and that killed it for me.

But WoW Classic spawned instantly with instancing.. they made no attempt at using zones, it was just one big server cluster fuck that live is today, these first principles that really matter are just forgotten today in like you say a way where moms and kids can play together while elitists can do their raiding and ignore it all.

Now they are doing server to server grouping, boosting.. Literally everything wrong with Live, because it IS NOT the content that is the problem with Live, it is the first principles of a MMORPG which they are again stamping into WoW Classic.. but they already did this so good riddance.

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Oh wait. Lets NOT start a gold farm on wow...

[unsunghero]

So it appears based on reading the WoW forum that you have to choose to either stay on your current classic server and by doing so be grandfathered into TBC, or else pay to copy your char to a permanently classic WoW server for anyone that wants to stay in classic

And from what I've read, the permanently classic servers are super dead atm. Like not enough people to even do 5 man groups

And the regular classic servers that my char is on (account inactive though) are apparently currently being given like double honor points earned in pvp for the rest of this month and all pvp item rewards are available to be bought with honor points, because they will all be obsolete when TBC launches June 1st. So there is a mad rush for people to PvP atm. Would be tempting for me, but I am not really into trying to organize or join a full 15 man pvp group. I feel like I would be too competitive and upset at them if we were losing. I just prefer to casual stress-free solo bg in a PuG vs PuG, and those didn't really exist in classic when I was playing, and they don't seem to exist now

BUT if anyone is currently playing classic WoW AND doing BG's and can report that they can still get PuG vs PuG matches, I will re-activate today and check it out

Otherwise I may re-activate sometime after tbc launch, but not right away. I didn't join classic right away, I was like a few months behind the mad rush of people leveling, and I preferred it that way

[Byue]

no pugs.
all pre-made using the op new top tier abilities.
useless.