Proof that Lockdowns are Working

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you propose 65+ year olds self quarantine for months to years, exactly? How do they get groceries? How do they go for doctors visits? How do you protect the tens of thousands of elderly in skilled nursing facilities and assisted living facilities?

What about the at-risk young -- people with Type I (genetic) diabetes, chemotherapy, or autoimmune diseases, or other conditions who need to work to survive?

Groceries can be delivered. Here locally, Walmart has dedicated 7am on Monday and Tuesday to the elderly, I think it’s a good idea.

Again, taking drastic measures that aren’t affective just so you can feel good about yourself is not something I want to subscribe to.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop being willfully ignorant. You’ll notice that I said that the old people should self quarantine at their discretion.

Yes, because the elderly can live in isolation [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: Do anti-maskers not have any family? Total yikes. You guys really ought to try to make America great again by caring about others and doing things for the common good. Just because you're not the one getting sick and dying doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people who need to be protected from you.

[Shourty]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We must sacrifice the old because I'm too irresponsible and selfish to wear a mask, wash my hands, and socially distance. That'll Make America Great Again!

Don't be so irresponsible and selfish! Cripes what a creep.
If you are in the highly affected group, as I am, It's up to you if I want to wear a non effective face mask.
I think I'm pro choice! Criminy! Who would a thought it? I'm pro choice!!! Wow, things have sure changed.

[imperiouskitten]

funny thing is I think topgunben is kinda right at this point. Assuming rumors of temporary immunity aren't true. Except -- we have to stop where hospital capacity is overfull, or ppl will die gasping who could have lived. We are already there in some jurisdictions.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

funny thing is I think topgunben is kinda right at this point. Assuming rumors of temporary immunity aren't true. Except -- we have to stop where hospital capacity is overfull, or ppl will die gasping who could have lived. We are already there in some jurisdictions.

I’m a realist. I just don’t see the lockdowns helping enough to offset the negative impacts.

The media has tried to make this a partisan issue. Because the want to pint Republicans as careless for the sole reason of getting Democrats elected.

Let me make this clear. The media is not your friend. They do not care about your lives, they only care about serving themselves and the democratic leadership.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m a realist. I just don’t see the lockdowns helping enough to offset the negative impacts.

The media has tried to make this a partisan issue. Because the want to pint Republicans as careless for the sole reason of getting Democrats elected.

Let me make this clear. The media is not your friend. They do not care about your lives, they only care about serving themselves and the democratic leadership.

No, let’s actually be clear. The media hasn’t tried to make this a partisan issue. Trump made it a partisan issue because he couldn’t admit to making a mistake. He could have said “you know what guys? There are technically some things I could’ve done better and the federal government could’ve done better. We screwed up on some of the initial steps, but by the way this is a pandemic of a novel disease so mistakes are essentially to be expected at times and I’m sorry that we weren’t flawless on that but I don’t think anyone could’ve been. But now we are going to learn from our mistakes and we’re gonna listen to the science and the doctors and we are going to come together and beat this thing.” If he had done that it never would’ve been a partisan issue (at least not in the media).

But Trump is a petulant child who can’t ever admit having made a mistake or lost. I’ve literally watched him cheat at golf to avoid losing or taking a hit on his scoresheet from a bad shot. So because he’s immature and can’t admit mistakes, he has to come up with another approach...I.e. downplay the entire thing and essentially pretend like it’s a non-issue, which is how it then turns into a partisan issue.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, let’s actually be clear. The media hasn’t tried to make this a partisan issue. Trump made it a partisan issue because he couldn’t admit to making a mistake. He could have said “you know what guys? There are technically some things I could’ve done better and the federal government could’ve done better. We screwed up on some of the initial steps, but by the way this is a pandemic of a novel disease so mistakes are essentially to be expected at times and I’m sorry that we weren’t flawless on that but I don’t think anyone could’ve been. But now we are going to learn from our mistakes and we’re gonna listen to the science and the doctors and we are going to come together and beat this thing.” If he had done that it never would’ve been a partisan issue (at least not in the media).

But Trump is a petulant child who can’t ever admit having made a mistake or lost. I’ve literally watched him cheat at golf to avoid losing or taking a hit on his scoresheet from a bad shot. So because he’s immature and can’t admit mistakes, he has to come up with another approach...I.e. downplay the entire thing and essentially pretend like it’s a non-issue, which is how it then turns into a partisan issue.

I agree with him being a petulant child who can't admit wrongdoing, but the media could have been the bigger person too. They don't have to politicize every single story related to covid going forward, which they are doing, just because trump is an arrogant prick. They could say "ya know what? Trump is an asshole, and he can't admit any mistakes, but with that being said here's an analysis of the relative risk of the virus versus the impacts of what some call a drastic over reaction.". They never do that though, ever.

In the last presidential debate, the moderator actually *DID*, finally, do this. She asked biden a question that was something like "Some have said that the consequences of our response to the virus is worse than exposure to the virus itself." which I give her big points for. Unfortunately biden completely dodged it and blamed everything on trump, and then assured the nation that "he will have a plan", ya know, eventually.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, let’s actually be clear. The media hasn’t tried to make this a partisan issue. Trump made it a partisan issue because he couldn’t admit to making a mistake. He could have said “you know what guys? There are technically some things I could’ve done better and the federal government could’ve done better. We screwed up on some of the initial steps, but by the way this is a pandemic of a novel disease so mistakes are essentially to be expected at times and I’m sorry that we weren’t flawless on that but I don’t think anyone could’ve been. But now we are going to learn from our mistakes and we’re gonna listen to the science and the doctors and we are going to come together and beat this thing.” If he had done that it never would’ve been a partisan issue (at least not in the media).

But Trump is a petulant child who can’t ever admit having made a mistake or lost. I’ve literally watched him cheat at golf to avoid losing or taking a hit on his scoresheet from a bad shot. So because he’s immature and can’t admit mistakes, he has to come up with another approach...I.e. downplay the entire thing and essentially pretend like it’s a non-issue, which is how it then turns into a partisan issue.

Frankly.... whatever Trump did or does is wrong in the eyes of the media. Had he done everything the democratic leadership and media wanted him to do, they still would have thought he was wrong.

[Cassawary]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frankly.... whatever Trump did or does is wrong in the eyes of the media. Had he done everything the democratic leadership and media wanted him to do, they still would have thought he was wrong.

Do u support him doing nothing against the Baathist state in Syria?

Peace in our time buddy boy

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frankly.... whatever Trump did or does is wrong in the eyes of the media. Had he done everything the democratic leadership and media wanted him to do, they still would have thought he was wrong.

Yeah they totally would have thought he was wrong if he had prevented the pandemic from doing what it’s done to America