What's the deal with shcool teachers?

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by tsuchang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is, it is a low paying job, they know it is a low paying job, they go to college to get a low paying job. Then they complain that it is a low paying job. That isn't very bright.
All the other "stuff" you have posted about what you think my point is, is you projecting your opinion onto me. You can keep it, I don't want it. I have enough of my own hangups.

You just don't like school/schoolteachers. Everyone complains about their job. The cashier at 7-11 is also complaining about how little he gets paid.

[Jibartik]

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[fastboy21]

I'd hardly call teaching a "low paying job" --- most public teachers in my district make over 100k / year, get excellent benefits, a property right to their job (tenure) and a pension guarentee which typically includes health insurance for life...

I agree that you have virtually 0% chance of striking it rich, but it isn't by a stretch a bad profession to go into...especially if you are a good at it and enjoy doing it.

The real resentment in faculty rooms is usually towards mooching co-worker teachers who earn the same salary/benefits and overpaid administrators that justify by their position by interfering with teachers trying to teach.

[reznor_]

Originally Posted by Blingy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the teachers didn't have a singular/linear thought process about how the world should be I'd put more faith in them. A good education system would be awesome but how each of us defines what is good varies so wildly it's going to take a cultural change to agree on what good means.

My neck of the woods definition of good: STEM focused diploma with 1,000+ hours of STEM extra-circulars over 4 years followed by a STEM degree and a path to work at one of the STEM companies starting at $100k+/year. Everything else and your kid and the parent by extension are failures at life.

I don't think teachers (as a collection) do...thats why there are such an array of teachers, and it's why liberals/conservative parents complain that their children are being "indoctrinated" at schools. Parents fucking suck if they can't teach their kids to think critically -- these are people who should never have been allowed to have kids in the first place.

So, I disagree that it should be purely STEM focused. I have a PhD in nuclear engineering. I'm published in a number of peer-reviewed journals. I think liberal arts, social studies, humanities, art, music etc are a critical part of school curriculum, because if the world was entirely STEM focused it would be one of the most boring existences out there. I'm very thankful for my colleagues who aren't scientists and engineers. They help make the world a more interesting place. If our existence was purely left or right brain, how awful a world this would be.

That being said, I completely agree that the definition of "good" is such a tough one to get right. I think it's important to have well rounded curriculum through K-12 and then give someone a few years to figure out what they want to do. I disagree with the "graduate high school and jump right into college" tradition because I think most people don't know what they want to do when they're 18. I certainly didn't.

I think teaching is a hard job. Often thankless. I'm referring to the K-12 path here -- I have friends who love their jobs as professors and make a lot of money doing it, but they also work at very prestigious universities and write a lot of grants and are rewarded for it. I have friends who teach middle and high school, and that job is one that is thankless and fraught with meddling parents who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[reznor_]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd hardly call teaching a "low paying job" --- most public teachers in my district make over 100k / year, get excellent benefits, a property right to their job (tenure) and a pension guarentee which typically includes health insurance for life...

I agree that you have virtually 0% chance of striking it rich, but it isn't by a stretch a bad profession to go into...especially if you are a good at it and enjoy doing it.

The real resentment in faculty rooms is usually towards mooching co-worker teachers who earn the same salary/benefits and overpaid administrators that justify by their position by interfering with teachers trying to teach.

Sounds like a very white, white-collar, wealthy family school district in the suburbs. Am I wrong?

Most public school teachers I know make far less than 100k/year. They work in cities. They buy school supplies for the kids using their own money, because the district doesn't have enough money for them. Underprivileged kids need devoted, well paid teachers too. These people teach for the love of it, and they should be compensated because it's a very hard job.

[Kief]

Truth is it comes down to cybernetics and mass mind control of the population.

You really think the elite want a well educated population capable of thinking profoundly outside of their matrix reality? Most of the United States work their asses off just to put food on the table for their family. Outside of that they don't have time to think about the bigger picture or issues of the world.

Keep 'em uneducated (even the University level is pure indoctrination with little truth) and keep 'em over worked. Things will maintain the course.

Throw in some entertainment industry special ops who are paid in the millions (Hello football, baseball, reality tv, anything meant to distract and occupy the mind.) and it's almost perfect.

Now add in the military industrial complex which oversight has been drastically reduced since the 1940's and a scientific elite culture which not only leads said device but also leads popular public opinion. And you're there.

Cybernetics folks. They consider us nothing more than a means to an end i'm afraid.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by reznor_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like a very white, white-collar, wealthy family school district in the suburbs. Am I wrong?

Most public school teachers I know make far less than 100k/year. They work in cities. They buy school supplies for the kids using their own money, because the district doesn't have enough money for them. Underprivileged kids need devoted, well paid teachers too. These people teach for the love of it, and they should be compensated because it's a very hard job.

Its not uncommon in the NYC/NJ area for public teachers even in the inner city to earn what I was describing. The benefits alone are a huge work package. Also, my comments weren't meant to say that teachers don't deserve more...some of them do. I was just saying that signing up to be a teacher isn't consigning yourself to living below the poverty line with no chance of retirement while standing on a bread line...it just isn't. It's a fairly respected, job secure, pension guaranteed, summers off to earn how you please...and you get to work with kids doing something you love. That hardly sounds like a life of hardship to me compared to most.

[Zal22]

Originally Posted by charmcitysking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the deal with Ovaltine?

The jar is round. The mug is round.

They should call it: 'Roundtine'.

GOLD!

[Tethler]

Public school teachers make decent money, but boy do they need to earn it. Most parents dont even want to deal with their own kids for the day, can you imagine dealing with 30+ day after day. Exhausting.

Adjunct professors though at universities, that's where the poverty teaching is at.

[Bardp1999]

People become teachers and cops and firemen because they have no real goal of what they want to do and then when they reap the benefits (or lack there of) they play the "noble public service" card to try to get a pity raise. If you want to make money get into business or sales or IT/Engineering