Approaching peak Orwell

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't say "All Lives Matter" and then kill the fly that accidentally landed on your monitor that's 'annoying you' - the fly has a life too. Bedbugs? Yup, can't kill those, as all lives matter. Those attracted to children? Yeah, can't treat them any different. 'All Lives Matter', right?

rofl you cannot be serious

[TheSurgeon]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl you cannot be serious

Drugs.

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl you cannot be serious

I, of course, am serious in the sense of satirical humor being used to prove a point.

The issue with the statement "All Lives Matter" is if we truly believed that as a society, we would be well on our way to utopia. "All Lives Matter" means that regardless of <attribute here> we should give everyone a fair chance regardless of their history. That means no exceptions. Which, arguably, isn't reasonable when you consider the past actions of other individuals.

The problem then becomes where we draw the line on when past history should become acceptable to forgive... should it be over something as petty as annoying someone (ie; online trolling), something as unforgivable as robbery / theft, or something as bad as rape / murder / child abuse?

And there's no easy answer to that.

There is, however, an easy answer to "Black Lives Matter", which is, if I didn't know someone, and treated them differently because they are black and not knowing what they did in the past, I would be considered racist because I judged without knowing their backstory.

I can't say "All Lives Matter" after reading that someone was convicted for raping a kid and then having the same guy move in next door. I would outright judge them without knowing them, keep my children away from them, etc. I can't say the same about if a black man moved next door to me, without getting to know him or his history. And I certainly wouldn't judge him because he's black. So of course, by first glance, "Black Lives Matter" but certainly not "All Lives Matter."

I should mention I am fairly conservative and part of due process means that you give everyone a chance to defend themselves in a court of law. Many people of all backgrounds never get a chance to defend themselves as they are judged by racists, sexists, homophobes and others that are in charge of law enforcement - before they even get to a court of law. That is the issue. It has nothing to do with race.

[Ennewi]

George Washington Carver, his parents slaves, was abducted along with his mother and sister by slave raiders and sold off. A family friend(?) actually tracked him down but failed to locate the others. Raised in Kansas, he studied the surrounding plants extensively by hand and would go on to earn a full scholarship only to be denied entry later upon arriving at the college, due to his skin color.

In 1948, Nat King Cole bought a house in the all-white Hancock Park development, central LA. His neighbors, some of them reported to have been members of the KKK, sued to block the purchase and, when those efforts failed, eventually burned a cross and racial slurs on his front lawn. Their family dog also died around the same time, from poisoning.

R.L. Burnside
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APRIL 22, 1999 The harshness of this schedule was exacerbated only by the bigotry that was part and parcel of living in the Mississippi Delta. "Yeah, racism was just an everyday thing," notes Burnside, who currently resides near the Mississippi community of Holly Springs.

Since the children of plantation workers were required to begin toiling alongside their parents by the time they were eight or nine, Burnside didn't get much traditional schooling, but his education in the blues was second to none.

Of course there are other historical, non-black examples as well. Italian and Irish immigrants suffered mistreatment not so long ago in America's past and this is true, even now, among the Appalachians and American Indians. But in mentioning them, other more specific examples come to mind which were subject to different forms of discrimination. Alan Turing, homosexual. Adhara Perez, autist.

As is often the case, most people are not exactly candidates for sainthood, but that is besides the point. It does not seem at all controversial to suggest that the human race stands to gain much, and lose nothing, by ridding itself of long-held prejudices. A person or group of people cannot conceivably take on all of the prejudice that exists in the world however, just as an epidemiologist or team of researchers cannot develop a cure-all for every disease known to man.

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In todays political climate if there's a clear leader then it's easy to point to a figurehead and say "those are the policies this group supports." BLM doesn't really have this, except for when ultra conservaties will point to their "leaders" being trained marxists or something. The "movement" is difficult to criticize at the moment, because it's not really clear what policies they support. At the same time the organization will lack direction due to leadership.

Fair point. While movements are not to be confused with mobs, mob mentality can take over in the absence of leadership. Still, it should come as no surprise that there would be no singular, immediately identifiable figure guiding the movement considering what happened to those who previously took the leadership role upon themselves. A tall tree attracts wind.

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Haenne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So all lives matter is a no go because if someone (white, yellow, brown, red, etc) was eg convicted for raping a kid you couldn't care less about his/her (PC?) life. Fair enough. Maybe i missed it but are you implying blacks are unable to fall into that category ? And if a black is a pedophile, just one, will you stop saying black lives matter just the same way you can't allow yourself to say all lives matter ?

Perhaps you should stop acting like a victim and blame everything negative in life being a cause of the white man. Everyone has hardships in life. If there was a white supremacy and real racism in the US, no white person would live in poverty and no black person would get anywhere. But what a surprise, there's plenty of government positions held by democratic blacks. Do they care about their people tho ? For some reason the states and cities held the longest by democrats are also the most crime infested and biggest shitholes you could possibly live in.
Care to explain that ? And why you still feel like democrats are your allies ?
Also, if a simple humanitarian statement like "All lives matter" makes you angry and triggered, you should seriously seek medical help. Something is wrong in your brain. If only black lives matter, you're not better then Hitler.

I'm not 'acting like a victim', nor am I claiming to be a victim. I am simply stating I would not judge a black man by his skin color and rather the actions he has done.

Additionally, I did not mention democrats are my allies, *You*, however, have stated that. I personally think the two-party divisiveness in the US is a cancer that needs to go away - forever. PACs determine the opinion of each party and anything short of what they believe in outcasts you from them.

What is the party for those who believe in anti-discrimination laws, separation of church and state (which would INCLUDE separating the concept marriage from the state which means *all* marriage would be invalidated), pro-abortion, pro-2nd amendment, keeping the concept of local, state and federal separation, and ability to have representatives to choose from that aren't just from two parties that may differ from one of those ideals?

There is no 'political party' for someone who has their own opinions, and that's a problem. We pick between the lesser of 2 evils instead of our ideal candidate. We say things like "banning PACs would work", but we all know that's not true - if history has told us anything, doing so will not matter.

Republican, democrats, they're all the same shitheads under different names with slightly different opinions on issues that may not even be problems to the people they are serving. They peddle agendas for their own interests and power, all behind the guise of the rule of law. It's systematically broken and the best part is you all *believe* these people that are part of <party name here> are in your interest and not their own.

Regarding the "Black Lives Matter" statement, I never claimed that 'Only Black Lives Matter', quite the opposite. This is not a matter of political theatrics or putting one life above another, but instead of basic literary comprehension of the words you are stating.

I have no political affiliation except the interest of seeing the human race enjoy itself in harmony. Hence why I spent 16 years of my life preserving a game I used to play so that people like you would have the chance of enjoying this game in its many forms.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not 'acting like a victim', nor am I claiming to be a victim. I am simply stating I would not judge a black man by his skin color and rather the actions he has done.

Additionally, I did not mention democrats are my allies, *You*, however, have stated that. I personally think the two-party divisiveness in the US is a cancer that needs to go away - forever. PACs determine the opinion of each party and anything short of what they believe in outcasts you from them.

What is the party for those who believe in anti-discrimination laws, separation of church and state (which would INCLUDE separating the concept marriage from the state which means *all* marriage would be invalidated), pro-abortion, pro-2nd amendment, keeping the concept of local, state and federal separation, and ability to have representatives to choose from that aren't just from two parties that may differ from one of those ideals?

There is no 'political party' for someone who has their own opinions, and that's a problem. We pick between the lesser of 2 evils instead of our ideal candidate. We say things like "banning PACs would work", but we all know that's not true - if history has told us anything, doing so will not matter.

Republican, democrats, they're all the same shitheads under different names with slightly different opinions on issues that may not even be problems to the people they are serving. They peddle agendas for their own interests and power, all behind the guise of the rule of law. It's systematically broken and the best part is you all *believe* these people that are part of <party name here> are in your interest and not their own.

Regarding the "Black Lives Matter" statement, I never claimed that 'Only Black Lives Matter', quite the opposite. This is not a matter of political theatrics or putting one life above another, but instead of basic literary comprehension of the words you are stating.

I have no political affiliation except the interest of seeing the human race enjoy itself in harmony. Hence why I spent 16 years of my life preserving a game I used to play so that people like you would have the chance of enjoying this game in its many forms.

Have u ever voted third party?

Also a marriage ban sounds perfect in text but ohhh boy would you get your head chopped off [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Haenne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So all lives matter is a no go because if someone (white, yellow, brown, red, etc) was eg convicted for raping a kid you couldn't care less about his/her (PC?) life. Fair enough. Maybe i missed it but are you implying blacks are unable to fall into that category ? And if a black is a pedophile, just one, will you stop saying black lives matter just the same way you can't allow yourself to say all lives matter ?

Perhaps you should stop acting like a victim and blame everything negative in life being a cause of the white man. Everyone has hardships in life. If there was a white supremacy and real racism in the US, no white person would live in poverty and no black person would get anywhere. But what a surprise, there's plenty of government positions held by democratic blacks. Do they care about their people tho ? For some reason the states and cities held the longest by democrats are also the most crime infested and biggest shitholes you could possibly live in.
Care to explain that ? And why you still feel like democrats are your allies ?
Also, if a simple humanitarian statement like "All lives matter" makes you angry and triggered, you should seriously seek medical help. Something is wrong in your brain. If only black lives matter, you're not better then Hitler.

Gross, another new anon account? Just use one of your 10+ that already exist LOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Black Lives Matter" is a valid statement. It's something everyone can agree on. It doesn't mean they are superior to other lives, nor lesser than others. It means you treat one person of a specific peripheral construct (race) as the same as another peripheral construct.

Anyone arguing anything other than that (ie; All Lives Matter, Blue Lives Matter, etc.) means that you support the systematic destruction of a particular group of people that you visually see as inferior based on <attribute here>. You can't say "All Lives Matter" and then kill the fly that accidentally landed on your monitor that's 'annoying you' - the fly has a life too. Bedbugs? Yup, can't kill those, as all lives matter. Those attracted to children? Yeah, can't treat them any different. 'All Lives Matter', right?

Cops are not a race. They're a profession you pick much later in life. You can't look at a cop out of the womb and say "Yeah, this dude's gonna be a cop."

They are a social construct, not one based on your sense of vision. They are based on emotion to a society founded on rules. Society once existed without officers, laws, and political biases. The only thing that hasn't changed is that black individuals are black and still systematically oppressed for centuries.

So instead of being racist, sexist, or whatever -ist, how about propping up the people you are close to and know need help, regardless of the way they were born? After all, we can't judge books by their cover.

Actions speak louder than sitting here on this EverQuest forum saying about how you'll do something instead of actually getting involved and doing your part to make sure it ends.

I personally took it upon myself on multiple occasions and sat with people one-on-one that I care about, and helped them get on their feet, expecting nothing in return. Can you say you've done the same, or have you just posted on message boards and social media about how 'people need to do it' - well, guess what, you are a person. Stop preaching to the choir and start making better choices.

Everything except the green text makes good sense. Afaik pedophiles are reviled by every race, we all throw em in prison. Bugs are not humans therefore not entitled to human rights.

This entire issue is really tough to negotiate, I see alot of people making very different statements but in general it seems they all have the same thought in their head: Equal Rights Means Equal Rights!

Maybe the vagueness of it all is purposeful. Here on this forum we can't seem to agree on terminology, across the USA no one can seem to agree either.

A divided house cannot stand. Divide and conquer etc. This sort of discussion must continue, even on an EverQuest Forum.

As long as we are trying to agree, we aren't fighting. That's a house that can stand. That's a nation that can stand up.

[GinnasP99]

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[Jimjam]

BLM should just take ownership of the phrase “All Lives Matter”. Flip reverse it so ‘ALM’ is used to confirm that ‘yes, alm so bl indeed do m’.