/list feature first phase completed - reviews and suggestions for the future

[Ivory]

The list should have been cumulative time at a camp dictating your place (like I suggested!) ... which means you could put in a few hours here or there till you rose up the list high enough to finally get it.

This would have been the most fair way of handling things (and not created silly situations where you HAD TO have people tag teaming in with you to camp it for 80+ hours STRAIGHT).

Instead you could have camped whatever you wanted over a month or two.

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Ivory [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The list should have been cumulative time at a camp dictating your place (like I suggested!) ... which means you could put in a few hours here or there till you rose up the list high enough to finally get it.

This would have been the most fair way of handling things (and not created silly situations where you HAD TO have people tag teaming in with you to camp it for 80+ hours STRAIGHT).

Instead you could have camped whatever you wanted over a month or two.

You realize that the neckbeards would always have 10x more accrued time than you anyway, on each of their alts? And you'd get zero shot at the item this way.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that the neckbeards would always have 10x more accrued time than you anyway, on each of their alts? And you'd get zero shot at the item this way.

That. And how would it work, anyway? So if I 'visit' manastone camp occasionally and build up to 40 hours, say, and that's the highest for people who are trying to get it. However, I'm not at the camp when the next stone drops, what happens? Do I somehow get the stone? If you say well, you have to actually be holding the camp to get your stone, then we're right back to where we were: either standard /list or lots of camp stealing. And, how would time accrue? Do I have to be actively holding down the camp to get hours? Can I just sort of be nearby? If so, how far? You probably mean that you would accrue it for just sitting at the list, but the same kind of problem exists - it puts people in the position of getting a stone they didn't kill for and screwing the guy who actually did kill for it because you had more 'list time'. In fact, you could do nothing but sit in list and get the stone eventually, no actual fight required. It's really kind of an unworkable idea.

There is no way to fix this by tweaking the ruleset. It is literally impossible. Making the all of the items LORE NODROP would sort of work to cut down on the /list account sharing problems, but at the expense of really murdering the classic utility of the item. At that point, we should just remove the items altogether and be done with it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no way to fix this by tweaking the ruleset.

/list for a chance to kill the mob: fixes everything as far as I can see.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That. And how would it work, anyway? So if I 'visit' manastone camp occasionally and build up to 40 hours, say, and that's the highest for people who are trying to get it. However, I'm not at the camp when the next stone drops, what happens? Do I somehow get the stone? If you say well, you have to actually be holding the camp to get your stone, then we're right back to where we were: either standard /list or lots of camp stealing. And, how would time accrue? Do I have to be actively holding down the camp to get hours? Can I just sort of be nearby? If so, how far? You probably mean that you would accrue it for just sitting at the list, but the same kind of problem exists - it puts people in the position of getting a stone they didn't kill for and screwing the guy who actually did kill for it because you had more 'list time'. In fact, you could do nothing but sit in list and get the stone eventually, no actual fight required. It's really kind of an unworkable idea.

There is no way to fix this by tweaking the ruleset. It is literally impossible. Making the all of the items LORE NODROP would sort of work to cut down on the /list account sharing problems, but at the expense of really murdering the classic utility of the item. At that point, we should just remove the items altogether and be done with it.

No, if you’re not at the camp you don’t get the stone. If you revisit the camp your hours would be saved for when you re-list. Time would accrue as long as you’re on /list and following the already set rules for being on list. The issue of not having to kill a single PH ALREADY exists. Some players just lay in FD snd have their girlfriends click the AFK-boxes.

Making it based on hours camped total over any number of sessions would make the farm more available and at the same time make it less attractive to the super-neckbeards eho could get better pp/hr elsewhere if they have to farm 240hrs for a manastone.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, if you’re not at the camp you don’t get the stone. If you revisit the camp your hours would be saved for when you re-list. Time would accrue as long as you’re on /list and following the already set rules for being on list. The issue of not having to kill a single PH ALREADY exists. Some players just lay in FD snd have their girlfriends click the AFK-boxes.

Making it based on hours camped total over any number of sessions would make the farm more available and at the same time make it less attractive to the super-neckbeards eho could get better pp/hr elsewhere if they have to farm 240hrs for a manastone.

girlfriends, u mean boyfriends, life partners, and questmates

[Castle2.0]

Same bad ideas rehashed in new threads.

Go read all the old threads first to find out why your "original new FIX /list" idea is bad.

[Jimjam]

Perhaps P1999 could partner up with some life coaches. When you win a list your account receives a suspension and you get some rehabilitation coaching.

Once your coach has given clearance your suspension is mitigated and you are allowed to access your account for up to 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, with one monthly 5 hour binge 'cheat day'. I'm not a monster.

After a season, all account restrictions will be released, but if you 'win' a list item again, you will require further coaching, with the possibility of being referred to therapy, and much harsher ban restrictions.

Lets not fix list - lets fix people!

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps P1999 could partner up with some life coaches. When you win a list your account receives a suspension and you get some rehabilitation coaching.

You can ask the GM's in the petition forum to suspend your accounts.

I've done that in the past. I listed all my accounts and they banned them all for one year from both Blue and Red. It was great, I could get on with my life and achieve stuff.

Toward the end though, like... 9 months in, I started to get a serious itch. I made a level 1 EC toon on a new account and tunnelquested a bunch of plat out of the thin air.

The last few days before the 1 year mark, and therefore unbanning of the accounts, were me literally counting the hours then the minutes before I could access my characters.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can ask the GM's in the petition forum to suspend your accounts.

I've done that in the past. I listed all my accounts and they banned them all for one year from both Blue and Red. It was great, I could get on with my life and achieve stuff.

Toward the end though, like... 9 months in, I started to get a serious itch. I made a level 1 EC toon on a new account and tunnelquested a bunch of plat out of the thin air.

The last few days before the 1 year mark, and therefore unbanning of the accounts, were me literally counting the hours then the minutes before I could access my characters.

Please don't ever tell me to stop posting again. I would very much appreciate that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]