What do mages really have going for them?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Hiten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh. You mean like if cleric was afk? Can’t see how a druid would out heal a cleric otherwise.

Regen/chloro and lesser heals are no joke in many group comps and levels. That ch can heal for 10k or whatever doesn't mean shit if your tank is a 1400 hp bard or ranger, or your group is all casters, or you want the war to stay enraged, etc. And even if you are in a group that seems like it needs a cleric, a slacker who doesn't want to spend a dot to symbol the chanter or puller, or who isn't quick with a stun or heal on a charm break, will quickly be outperformed by a competent druid.

[Kalamurv]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regen/chloro and lesser heals are no joke in many group comps and levels. That ch can heal for 10k or whatever doesn't mean shit if your tank is a 1400 hp bard or ranger, or your group is all casters, or you want the war to stay enraged, etc. And even if you are in a group that seems like it needs a cleric, a slacker who doesn't want to spend a dot to symbol the chanter or puller, or who isn't quick with a stun or heal on a charm break, will quickly be outperformed by a competent druid.

This plus also being smart with their mana....Ive seen horrible clerics that waste a ton of mana using heals inefficiently (healing to soon etc), not bothering to even attempt a heal on a chanter until they've already dropped to 40% on pet break....not having the brains to root park adds, instead trying to heal entire group and either running out of mana, or pulling aggro with those heals, or worse yet, both.

[Doktoor]

Every exp group I've been in on Green and Teal have been stoked to get a rogue.

The only time you don't want a rogue is when you've got a healer, no tank, and 3-4 pet classes, because then the rogue is the MT. And how often is that happening? I haven't seen it happen at all.

[Natewest1987]

I think those swords are being super under valued ��*♂️. Its it’s basically like an extra attack, and for a while will hit harder than your pet will.

Really shines in pet centric groups, or give them to a dex buffed charm pet with a haste item ��*♂️

Free damage is free damage and less mana spent. Mobs die faster = healers heal less = less damage spells cast = xpez

[Balimon]

I think people are saying that mages can out parse rogues and monks at level 50 with this level of gear.

[Kalamurv]

rogue without 10-12 dmg poker with decent delay really isn't gonna be putting out a ton of dps, rogues don't really shine until epic with its 15 dmg and 40 attack

[Vexenu]

Classic Rogue weapons are garbage. The average level 50 Mage with a focused, buffed and hasted level 49 pet, a 25 point DS and nukes is easily outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average level 50 Monk is outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue, either. I'd love to see parses comparing the three.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic Rogue weapons are garbage. The average level 50 Mage with a focused, buffed and hasted level 49 pet, a 25 point DS and nukes is easily outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average level 50 Monk is outdamaging the average level 50 Rogue, either. I'd love to see parses comparing the three.

Not counting dragon loot items, I wouldn't doubt any SK/pal/war right now out damages any monk or rogue with mith 2 hd. There is only one really good rogue weapon in this time period and it's dragon loot and there are no good monk weapons.

[Smellybuttface]

I played through all of classic on a TLP fairly recently, and regularly did group DPS parses. I have not seen any real difference in group DPS on Green from the TLP. Raid DPS will be different because of live changes they made to pets and DOTs on raid mobs.

Classic - Group (best to worst)
Enc / Nec (only with undead charm)
Monk / Mage
Rogue / Ranger / Warrior
The rest...

[DMN]

I'd love to know how a ranger outdamages a SK or paladin with a mith/TBB in vanilla EQ.