How Much can you Thumb Your nose at the GM's?

[Uaellaen]

You've yet to make a witty reply in this thread, please either discuss the topic in a rational manner, or if you absolutely must try the trolling/sarcasm route, come up with something funny or original.

We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!

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my topic gollum, gollum!

[jelatin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct. Simply put, I don't think a reasonable person would be quite so free with unfounded accusations in person....'less it really IS a witch hunt. My own 'accusations' towards you were of course in jest, but how would you like it if they were serious, with you having little to no concrete way of 'proving' your innocence in the minds of the more cynical community members? Sure you can shrug it off, but you shouldn't have to.

Sorry, I disagree. I don't think this is a baseless accusation at all. I witnessed the act, I took a picture and posted it. I didn't just show up on the forums and just write "This person is a 2 boxer, ban them now", which seems like a real baseless accusation. I'm not sure if what you're really trying to say is "There is no way to gain enough proof due to the constraints of the game/internet, so don't even try", or maybe I'm missing the core of your argument.

If I witnessed someone doing something wrong in real life, and I had a picture, it would be a baseless argument to say something about it?

Say I take a picture of someone stealing then notify the community of the theft problem, and show my picture. Am I assassinating that person's character or were they really just doing something they probably weren't supposed to to begin with?

[Zordana]

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nothing to add!

[Uaellaen]

guess who is who, and also ... guess who is holding the sheet of paper!

[Zordana]

Originally Posted by jelatin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, I disagree. I don't think this is a baseless accusation at all. I witnessed the act, I took a picture and posted it. I didn't just show up on the forums and just write "This person is a 2 boxer, ban them now", which seems like a real baseless accusation. I'm not sure if what you're really trying to say is "There is no way to gain enough proof due to the constraints of the game/internet, so don't even try", or maybe I'm missing the core of your argument.

If I witnessed someone doing something wrong in real life, and I had a picture, it would be a baseless argument to say something about it?

Say I take a picture of someone stealing then notify the community of the theft problem, and show my picture. Am I assassinating that person's character or were they really just doing something they probably weren't supposed to to begin with?

imagine me walkin outa my house with a TV, make a foto and say "HES STEALING" .. thats THE proof!

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

'How am I having a witch-hunt mentality by just thinking there should be some kind of filter on the IP exemptions'

You distrust everyone merely because some of them are bad apples. Perhaps that's not a witch hunt, but it's cynical as heck. I take offense to it because I'm lumped in with that crowd for no better reason than having a family.

So because there happens to be a rule against it we should see the best in everyone and trust people to obey the rules? Hey, burglary is against the law Danth, why don't you go ahead and leave all your doors and windows unlocked every night. I'd rather be cynical than naive.

Quit calling this a fucking witch hunt, I'm not suggesting we bring all the people with IP exemptions in for interrogation and threaten to ban them or some shit, I'm just suggesting maybe the process for an exemption shouldn't be as easy as making a post.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a different perspective. You say you know I'm 'legit'. Well...you'd get a laugh out of how many times others have accused ME of boxing. Happens quite regularly! Usually--for no better reason than my wife's character having the same surname as my own. It's sad, really. With that reality in mind, my suspicion is that the majority of 'he's boxing!' claims amount to unfounded rubbish.

Funny, especially since I didn't accuse anyone except matahari, who 90% of the people I've talked to who have been grouped with him before agree that he is a very obvious two boxer. Thats not really the issue though since you're attacking me personally not for making an accusation but for simply suggesting that maybe there should be something in place to sort out the two boxers.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm the one straight arrow in a sea of cheating liars. I like to think otherwise. I think most folks are decent and prefer to give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

Imagine what a shit sandwich our country would be if our justice system gave everyone the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct. Simply put, I don't think a reasonable person would be quite so free with unfounded accusations in person....'less it really IS a witch hunt. My own 'accusations' towards you were of course in jest, but how would you like it if they were serious, with you having little to no concrete way of 'proving' your innocence in the minds of the more cynical community members? Sure you can shrug it off, but you shouldn't have to.

Of course you cant ever truly "prove" beyond a shadow of a doubt that you aren't two boxing, but requiring something more than a paragraph about how you and your brother are on the same connection would definitely discourage the two boxers.

So your reasoning is "I shouldn't have to explain myself" when asking for an exemption from server rules. Say someone shoots a person then tells the people nearby theyre a cop. The people ask to see a badge and he says "I don't have to explain myself to you!"

Would you call the cops or take his word for it?

[Uaellaen]

Imagine what a shit sandwich our country would be if our justice system gave everyone the benefit of the doubt.

obviously you do not know your laws ... in dubio pro reo ..

[Pheer]

Obviously you're taking everything posted literally, what he's suggesting in regards to two boxers would be like if every trial was decided by the defendant's plea. You could probably count the amount of convictions every year on one hand in that case.

[Uaellaen]

Obviously you're taking everything posted literally

of course! because i can!

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

of course! because i can!

Oh well in that case, please continue!

I want to hear more of what a fat kraut version of harry potter has to say on the subject.