Green should disallow GINA

[Tenlaar]

When the devs say "you're not supposed to know buff timers so we've taken them out" and your response is "okay I'll use a third party program to tell me the buff timers anyway" then you are cheating. You are using a third party program in order to gain an advantage that you are not supposed to have, even if you want to argue that you're only cheating in spirit and not by the letter of the law because devs have not taken action against you for it.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the devs say "you're not supposed to know buff timers so we've taken them out" and your response is "okay I'll use a third party program to tell me the buff timers anyway" then you are cheating. You are using a third party program in order to gain an advantage that you are not supposed to have, even if you want to argue that you're only cheating in spirit and not by the letter of the law because devs have not taken action against you for it.

ban clocks, and brains

[Ashenden]

Devs didn't say "you're not supposed to know buff timers so we've taken them out" they said "our data says that in this time period you shouldn't see buff timers on the buff bar so we've taken them out"

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[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ban clocks, and brains

Fucking /time command. It's totally against the classic spirit.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Ashenden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs didn't say "you're not supposed to know buff timers so we've taken them out" they said "our data says that in this time period you shouldn't see buff timers on the buff bar so we've taken them out"

Okay then....When the devs say "our data says that in this time period you shouldn't see buff timers on the buff bar so we've taken them out" and your response is "okay I'll use a third party program to tell me the buff timers anyway" then you are cheating. You are using a third party program in order to gain an advantage that you are not supposed to have, even if you want to argue that you're only cheating in spirit and not by the letter of the law because devs have not taken action against you for it.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ban clocks, and brains

You want to be the Shaman who has 50 clocks on his desk to keep track of stuff, have at it.

This discussion is utterly reminiscent of people defending their use of aimbots/etc in shooters. "If you don't like it don't use it!" "It's a third party program I'm not REALLY hacking!" Etc etc. The names and technology changes but people stay the same. Funny stuff.

Danth

[omgmo]

There is an exception in the 3rd party program rules for things like GINA:
"Programs that provide audible ques or overlay information by only reading the Everquest Log Files are currently allowed."

While at the same time violating this rule:
"Any program that interacts, inspects, or modifies the Everquest client in any way is not allowed."

http://wiki.project1999.com/Merged_R...n_Project_1999


You can lawyer that editing the render buffer where the EQ client is drawn isn't interacting with it like editing the system memory of the client itself would, but to that I say pttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt tttttttttt.

Keep that shit in a separate program, overlays are bs.

[Ashenden]

There are pretty good on screen timers where you can manually set a bunch Danth. I for one would love to see people have to use those to manage all of their buffs etc because I am a huge proponent for masochism in all aspects of Green.

[Gustoo]

It doesn't matter what I think.

However, I think utilizing player logs in a smart way is pretty smart.

Its like setting a manual timer, only smarter. They would have to disable logs, which I don't think they should or can do.

Such a sophisticated tool is definitely not classic and allows much more granular and efficient management of buffs.

Such a sophisticated tool definitely changes the nature and character of the game.

Such a sophisticated tool was never required and remains unrequired for this game to be played effectively and enjoyably.

So I dunno.

TBH it feels like something that is going to be banned somehow. Right now they just arent sure how they will do it.