The Resist System Balance Thread

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Looking at your resist chart, I made a level 30 warrior with the following gear:

2x silver-plated bracer
Bloodstained mantle
Dwarven ringmail tunic
cloak of the ice bear
Grotesque alloy mask
2x earring of magic reflection
Blackened alloy coif
Fiery vambraces
Icy greaves
Charred boots
Shin gauntlets
Giant snakespine belt
Collar of undead protection
runed bone fork
Silver diamond rings
Langseax of the wolves

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My resists were as follows unbuffed:

64 PR
100 MR
44 DR
65 FR
80 CR

I could rotate in 2x symbol of loyalty and get near 100 CR

All of the above gear can easily be obtained by any level 30... Meaning unbuffed I'd have 75% chance to resist cold and magic based nukes.

With the low level resist buffs+mage DS, my resists are as follows with the same gear set up:

104 PR
140 MR
84 DR
105 FR +10 from DS = 115 FR
120 CR

At this point I am 100% resistant to magic spells, 95% resistant to cold and fire, and based spells, and 75% resistant to disease and poison based spells, even with tashani or mala it would only take my MR from 140 to 117 which is still ~95% resist rate.

Keep in mind this is all mid-level dungeon gear that is primarily easy to get because they are common drops, so saying that 120 MR is hard to obtain before 50 or before Kunark is absurd because I can push some pretty hard numbers by just killing frogs and goblins

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looking at your resist chart, I made a level 30 warrior with the following gear:

My resists were as follows

Abacrab, you built a level 30 character with a resist item in every slot (probably not likely to really happen) then you added raid buffs on top of that. The EQ resist system was designed around unbuffed melees, not people who are raid buffed. This isn't a bot server either, nobody is going to follow you around casting magic resist on you every 15 minutes.

I really think malo/mala/tash should nullify whatever resist buffs you have as well as debuffing their respective stats in order for casters to be viable in guild vs guild. If you tried to balance the resist system around raid buffed people with a resist item in every slot, then normal people who aren't raid buffed probably shouldn't bother playing because they would die in 2 seconds.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abacrab, you built a level 30 character with a resist item in every slot (probably not likely to really happen) then you added raid buffs on top of that. The EQ resist system was designed around unbuffed melees, not people who are raid buffed. This isn't a bot server either, nobody is going to follow you around casting magic resist on you every 15 minutes.

I really think malo/mala/tash should nullify whatever resist buffs you have as well as debuffing their respective stats in order for casters to be viable in guild vs guild. If you tried to balance the resist system around raid buffed people with a resist item in every slot, then normal people who aren't raid buffed probably shouldn't bother playing because they would die in 2 seconds.

These resist items are not blue diamond/platinum gear, the majority of that list can be farmed off very common mobs from upper guk, sol A, and even crushbone, meaning in a normal grouping effort a warrior can easily get most if not all this gear by simply walking into a dungeon on his way to dinging level 20.

The only buffs that were used were:

Resist cold: DRU/30 SHM/24 NEC/24
Resist fire: DRU/20 SHM/27 CLR/33
Resist magic: ENC/37
Resist disease: SHM/30 NEC/31
Resist poison: CLR/30
Shield of flame: MAG/19

All of those spells are within this level 30 warriors groupable range, and come from classes a warrior will almost always be permanently attached from level 6 on.

It's just quite ignorant to assume that a warrior would not have the following gear choices nor those buffs at all times considering most of that gear is what a warrior will be upgrading his patchwork armor and bronze swords from before he attempts crafted armor or attempts to raid for planar.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

To reiterate the ease of obtaining said gear

Silver-plated bracer:
Froglok Shin Lord, level 30 mob; common drop

Bloodstained mantle:
Undead Knight level 28 mob; common drop

Dwarven ringmail tunic:
Emperor Crush level 18 mob; common drop

Cloak of the ice bear:
Martar Icebear level 30 mob; common drop

Grotesque alloy mask:
Lord Pickclaw level 32 mob; uncommon drop

Earring of magic reflection:
Nillipuss quest: multiple resist and WR bag rewards

Blackened alloy coif
Pickclaw foeseeker level 23 mob; uncommon drop

Fiery vambraces
Any level 25+ goblin in Sol A; common drop

Icy greaves
Elite Goblin guard level 28 mob; common drop

Charred boots
Inferno Goblin Captain level 32 mob; common drop

Shin gauntlets
Froglok shin knight level 28 mob; uncommon drop

Giant snakespine belt
WK ogres mostly level 28; uncommon drop

Collar of undead protection
Froglok Gaz Squire level 24 mob; common drop

Runed bone fork
Froglok Gaz Squire level 24 mob; uncommon drop

Silver diamond rings
Crafted trivial at 71

Langseax of the wolves
Questable at level 1, attainable at level 15 with a group


The hardest thing on this list to obtain would be the diamond rings simply because they require a diamond so without them you're looking at -6 to all resists, to which you can just quest a Rat-shaped ring +10 DR/PR and buy an HP ring or something, again very minimal work

[wehrmacht]

I'd be level 50 by the time you camped all that

[georgie]

instead of nerfing caster just give melee more hit points ya hear

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by georgie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

instead of nerfing caster just give melee more hit points ya hear

Just give melee the following pre-50 discs:

Warrior:
Level 10: Focused will: Increase Hitpoints by 3 per tick
Level 20: Provoke 1: Increase Hate by 85 (L20) to 100 (L35)
Level 30: Resistance disc 1: Increase All Resists by 16 (L30) to 20 (L38)
Level 40: Fearless disc 1: Increase Chance to Resist Fear Spell by 10000


Rogue:
Level 10: Focused will: Increase Hitpoints by 3 per tick
Level 20: Sneak attack:
1: Increase Chance to Hit by 10000% with Backstab
2: Increase Chance to Critical Hit by 50% with Backstab
3: Increase Backstab Damage Modifier by 40%
4: Increase Backstab Minimum Damage Modifier by 200%
Level 30: Resistance disc 1: Increase All Resists by 16 (L30) to 20 (L38)
Level 40: Fearless disc 1: Increase Chance to Resist Fear Spell by 10000

Monk:
Level 10: Focused will: Increase Hitpoints by 3 per tick
Level 30: Resistance disc 1: Increase All Resists by 16 (L30) to 20 (L38
Level 35: Phantom Zephyr
1: Frenzy Radius (5/50)
2: Reaction Radius (10/50)
3: Pacify
Level 40: Fearless disc 1: Increase Chance to Resist Fear Spell by 10000


Everyone gets a regen, a resistance aura, and a fear immunity as well as something each class needs... Warrior gets a hate modifier, rogues get a more reliable backstab, monks get a pacify

Everyone is happy

[lethdar]

Yes give melee a boost, since they always dominate the end game once they get gear and resists they could use a bit of help... excellent logic I salute you!

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes give melee a boost, since they always dominate the end game once they get gear and resists they could use a bit of help... excellent logic I salute you!

Have you not played P99 before?

Warriors NEED these skills, they have zero threat potential until they get dual ykeshas, monks need the pacify to some extent because it just makes easier pulling especially in raid zones where stuff comes upon you at a whim... as for rogues that skill only adds like an extra 20-40 damage to backstab and is only useable while hidden, hardly game breaking for the most disadvantaged melee class.

Also you played VZ/TZ I had a level 12 ogre warrior that with Viik's dark defender was piercing for 28 a hit, while the dagger was only 7/20, even with my 144 STR I shouldn't have been hitting for 4x the damage of the weapon in question, 2x very possibly but 4x no. So the only reason melee had a huge advantage was because they could literally cleave you down with triple attacks due to the broken combat formula.

[Terpuntine]

Abacab > Wehrmacht