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[feniin]

Oh, I totally believe that source.

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Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I totally believe that source.

Why not watch the video and decide for yourself what he was saying? Did remainers know they were voting for this?

[Domo]

Scotland move to join EU has to be 'seriously considered', says Van Rompuy

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Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scotland move to join EU has to be 'seriously considered', says Van Rompuy

Scotland voted in 2014 to remain a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I know that's not the EU way though, to respect the result of a democratic election - you have to vote again and again until the people vote the right way.

Btw, not many people have considered this given the general preoccupation with Brexit for the last few years, but Brexit makes the case for Scottish (non-)Independence much, much weaker.

[Zeboim]

Considering that was before Brexit was even a thing, and Scotland voted Remain by 10%, I don't think that's a particularly unreasonable position for them to take.

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Originally Posted by Zeboim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering that was before Brexit was even a thing, and Scotland voted Remain by 10%, I don't think that's a particularly unreasonable position for them to take.

It was over 40 years before the people got to vote again on the UK's participation in what was the EEC, is now the EU. How much changed in that time? When we joined the EEC in 1973 there was no European parliament, there was no single market, there was no European Court of Injustice, there was no Freedom of Movement. Did we get a vote on any of these major changes to our country? Is it only the things that les bien pensents agree with that we get to vote again and again for? Sorry, but I think Scotland had a very good case for independence back in 2014 and the UK would certainly have treated them a good deal better than the EU are behaving today, but you just can't keep having referendums on the same thing when you don't get the result you don't want.

Fun fact: more people voted for Brexit in Scotland than voted for the only pro-Independence political party in 2017.

[Zeboim]

Originally Posted by Thrombosis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was over 40 years before the people got to vote again on the UK's participation in what was the EEC, is now the EU. How much changed in that time? When we joined the EEC in 1973 there was no European parliament, there was no single market, there was no European Court of Injustice, there was no Freedom of Movement. Did we get a vote on any of these major changes to our country? Is it only the things that les bien pensents agree with that we get to vote again and again for? Sorry, but I think Scotland had a very good case for independence back in 2014 and the UK would certainly have treated them a good deal better than the EU are behaving today, but you just can't keep having referendums on the same thing when you don't get the result you don't want.

Fun fact: more people voted for Brexit in Scotland than voted for the only pro-Independence political party in 2017.

I don't see any reason why they can't have referendums as frequently as there is actual public opinion on the matter to support it. Just because they never called for one in those 40 years doesn't mean 40 years has any reason to be the baseline on how frequently people get a voice in their self determination. And besides - I think 5 years is ample time for reexamination, especially in the context of the gravity of what has happened during it.

Also, thank you for the irrelevant fun fact. Here's another one that actually matters: More Scots voted for Remain than Brexit.

The configuration (In EU)+(Not in UK)+(UK in EU) is no longer possible. (In EU)+(In UK)+(UK in EU) was removed from them against their personal votes. It follows that it's fully logical for a vote on the configuration of (In EU)+(Not in UK)+(UK not in EU) to be a thing that happens.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Thrombosis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brexit makes the case for Scottish (non-)Independence much, much weaker.

According to what mental gymnastics?

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Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to what mental gymnastics?

Most Scottish exports go to England at the moment. How would Scottish exporters cope with an EU-imposed hard border along Hadrian's wall*? The issue of Scotland's currency still isn't resolved - would the EU require them to join the Euro?

*Yes, I'm aware that there's large areas of England north of Hadrian's wall, it's a figure of speech.

[Horza]

Most voters believe government should allow Scotland and Northern Ireland to decide on UK membership after Brexit, poll finds.