Tallest peak and lowest valley?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you use EQ Zone Viewer to do /location measurements?

That would probably make it really easy to figure this out quickly.

but then the pot would be like 2k so you only game yourself! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Halfcell]

I dont know why people keep focusing on Kedge, it's in a lake. Granted BB is at sea level, but even still the assumption that a lake on the other side of a zone called Butcherblock Mountains is at or below sea level is dubious.

What we can be sure of is that Siren's grotto starts at sea level and goes down. Also, I dont know exactly where ST and DN are, but assuming they are below their respective teleporters, they are good candidates for lowest zone. Hell, the lava pit in NToV might be the lowest point in the game. I dont see any above ground temple there.

As for highest zone it is almost certainly High Keep, have you seen the drop down to EK on the back side of Highpass? If it's not high keep it's probably Frontier Mountains, some of those peaks are above the top of the skybox. Everfrost seems unlikely to me as I suspect it's cold because it's up north, not necessarily high in elevation.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know why people keep focusing on Kedge, it's in a lake. Granted BB is at sea level, but even still the assumption that a lake on the other side of a zone called Butcherblock Mountains is at or below sea level is dubious.

Well physically geographically speaking, BB is at sea level as its adjacent to the Ocean of tears... and the approach to DC is pretty flat, maybe +/- 200-400 feet if I was being generous. Then the path through DC zone tunnel is about a -1k foot decline and then the lake, and then kedge, and then kedge is a very vertical zone...

So physically geographically (is that even a thing?) I would say its a very good guess as to the lowest point.

Though the hole is also basically at sea level too hmm :thinking gnome emoji:

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well physically geographically speaking, BB is at sea level as its adjacent to the Ocean of tears... and the approach to DC is pretty flat, maybe +/- 200-400 feet if I was being generous. Then the path through DC zone tunnel is about a -1k foot decline and then the lake, and then kedge, and then kedge is a very vertical zone...

So physically geographically (is that even a thing?) I would say its a very good guess as to the lowest point.

Though the hole is also basically at sea level too hmm :thinking gnome emoji:

I am not sure taking the "as the player walks" way of deciding elevation is necessarily the ideal approach. As an example, the climb up to high pass is clearly shorter than the drop to EK on the other side, so either the ocean is higher in Freeport than in Qeynos, or you gain elevation somewhere in between.

As well Frontier mountains are entered lower on the OT side than they are exited on the LOIO side, so unless the majority of frontier mountains is below the level of the lake of ill omen, which makes little sense, it too would be full of water, I just dont think walking from zone to zone is accurate.

Assuming the planet Norath follows the same basic rules of gravity and geography as our world, as the globe in Skyfire suggests it does, there is a rise in elevation on the approach to a mountain range, even if it seems pretty flat as you stand there and walk around.

[Xulia]

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know why people keep focusing on Kedge, it's in a lake. Granted BB is at sea level, but even still the assumption that a lake on the other side of a zone called Butcherblock Mountains is at or below sea level is dubious.

Butcherblock is at sea level. Crossing into Dagnor's there's a slight incline that leads into a decline, then into the lake, THEN into Kedge Keep. So you're already well below sea level when you zone into Kedge.

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What we can be sure of is that Siren's grotto starts at sea level and goes down. Also, I dont know exactly where ST and DN are, but assuming they are below their respective teleporters, they are good candidates for lowest zone. Hell, the lava pit in NToV might be the lowest point in the game. I dont see any above ground temple there.

But there are numerous staircases leading up in NTOV before you get to the lava pit. The way that WW zones into ToV suggests that since the entrance is in a deep canyon it may be the lowest -- however WW does have an ocean to measure sea level, and the entrance to ToV isn't below sea level.

Originally Posted by Halfcell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for highest zone it is almost certainly High Keep, have you seen the drop down to EK on the back side of Highpass? If it's not high keep it's probably Frontier Mountains, some of those peaks are above the top of the skybox. Everfrost seems unlikely to me as I suspect it's cold because it's up north, not necessarily high in elevation.

The peaks of Frontier Mountains feasibly reach to the top of the Dreadlands' western glacier, about where the entrance to the "Hidden Valley" is, and the Combine Spires dwarf even those. What's never made sense to me is that the Combine Spires for how ridiculously oversized they are, are only visible from a certain distance. Those things are so huge that even with atmospheric blurring you should be able to see them from The Overthere.

[Braelyn]

I can confirm that the top of the peak above the Town of Kejek in Stonebrunt Mountains is 1455. Should be able to get a screenshot tomorrow.

[Jimjam]

For people saying take a /loc at sea level and then compare /loc at zonelines as you move through the zones to find the 'true' +/- z loc... I'm pretty sure you're going to find that sea level won't be constant.


Could this be evidence for a Round Norrath conspiracy?!

[Jimjam]

Could be both were tarns, turned lakes, but silted up after the ice retreated. The earthworks of creating a large city caused a compacting or other interruption of the silt in what was to become the LOIO, which then displaced groundwater, causing it to rise up from the spring that feed the water that ended up on top of the lake and flowing down into the sea by the port.

[Xulia]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could be both were tarns, turned lakes, but silted up after the ice retreated. The earthworks of creating a large city caused a compacting or other interruption of the silt in what was to become the LOIO, which then displaced groundwater, causing it to rise up from the spring that feed the water that ended up on top of the lake and flowing down into the sea by the port.

This is more likely than a "curse" causing a whole lake to appear and a city to sink. Also possible historical revisionism by later emperors (Rile wasn't too fond of daddy Venril) to explain why they wouldn't rebuild Veksar considering there was ample time to do so between the rise and fall of the Sathirian Empire.

Say what you will about the Iksar, but even when sunken into a lake and driven from their capitol, most of their buildings remained. Civil engineering is apparently one of their strong suits. Looking at you aqueducts of Sebilis.

[Bbeta]

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