Green sever

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DiogenesThaDogg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You might ask "why didn't you just refuse it?", but that would have been pointless. If I really want classic progression, I'd have to only group with people who don't engage in twinking. But with so much good gear cheaply available as Jimjam pointed out, there's no way to avoid grouping with people with "out-of-progression" gear, and thus no way to have a classic progression experience.

Actually, there is. There's an entire guild devoted to it in fact, and they have their own groups, their own economy, etc: Auld Lang Syne.

In fact, I really think you could divide the majority of people in this thread (or people who want Green in general) into:

• People who want a classic economy ... and could already get it and be perfectly happy by joining Auld Lang Syne
• People who say they want a classic economy, but don't fully understand all that entails, and if they actually got it they would go back to Blue
• People who want "power items" like Guises and Mana Orbs ... but don't realize they probably have a better chance of farming the plat on Blue to buy one than they will have of ever getting one themselves on Green
• People who want "power items" and have the commitment (or lack of a life, take your pick) to get them ... but vastly overestimate how much joy getting one of those items will bring them

In other words, I really think that only the minority of people who think Green will make them happier are correct. The rest don't realize it yet, but they'd be happier joining ASL or farming plat for a couple years on Blue. The only reason they don't realize it yet is that Green is only a fantasy; when the hard reality of it hits, a lot of folks are going to be disappointed that that reality doesn't match their dreams.

P.S. Let me second what Champion said:

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol are you even playing on P99?

[Keza]

Originally Posted by DiogenesThaDogg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're blowing it out of proportion, but yes this is exactly why I look forward to green server. I want something like a classic progression, and I would argue it is impossible on this server.

While leveling my first toon to 60, I had a couple k in gear dropped on me by strangers. It was very welcome but at the same time made the game easier. You might ask "why didn't you just refuse it?", but that would have been pointless. If I really want classic progression, I'd have to only group with people who don't engage in twinking. But with so much good gear cheaply available as Jimjam pointed out, there's no way to avoid grouping with people with "out-of-progression" gear, and thus no way to have a classic progression experience. The longer a server drags on in the limbo of velious endgame, the further from classic progression players can ever achieve. Really the only way to achieve a classic progression is to start everyone from 0. I honestly don't care if 100 people make a third of LGuk unplayable because they want manastones, guises and FBSSs, I'll just avoid them and enjoy the remaining 99% of the game.

This is pretty much my feel. There are people who seem to be holding a gun to their head for the thought of neckbeards camping future-removed items. I couldn't care less about a manastone. Maybe I'd want a guise on a PLD or something, idk, but it's not like I care so much that I'm going to sit here and pointlessly claim that there is no meaning in life because some efllord is going to outnerd me.

What I, and I think most people want from green is a fresh start. No PLs. No twinks. No enchanters/shamans locking down 20+ mob camps. Most of all an actual classic start, with the only exception being foreknowledge of content. We should all know by now that blue is a beta. There was plenty of non-classic things in blue for a very long time. I've loved my time on blue but I'll love green all the more.

Simply put, yes, there will be neckbeards. No, the experience will not be sunshine and smiles through & through. Yes, people know where to go and what to farm and how to play. No, I do not care if you farm 800 manastones and I get none. I don't even intend to try. I just want to play a truly fresh, classic server.

Although I say all of this I hypocritically want there to be some balance changes on green. I mean shamans/enchanters are gods amongst the ants they trivialize and fungi tunics really shouldn't be equippable by level 1s. I'M SORRY I KNOW IT'S NOT CLASSIC.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty much my feel. There are people who seem to be holding a gun to their head for the thought of neckbeards camping future-removed items. I couldn't care less about a manastone. Maybe I'd want a guise on a PLD or something, idk, but it's not like I care so much that I'm going to sit here and pointlessly claim that there is no meaning in life because some efllord is going to outnerd me.

What I, and I think most people want from green is a fresh start. No PLs. No twinks. No enchanters/shamans locking down 20+ mob camps. Most of all an actual classic start, with the only exception being foreknowledge of content. We should all know by now that blue is a beta. There was plenty of non-classic things in blue for a very long time. I've loved my time on blue but I'll love green all the more.

Simply put, yes, there will be neckbeards. No, the experience will not be sunshine and smiles through & through. Yes, people know where to go and what to farm and how to play. No, I do not care if you farm 800 manastones and I get none. I don't even intend to try. I just want to play a truly fresh, classic server.

Although I say all of this I hypocritically want there to be some balance changes on green. I mean shamans/enchanters are gods amongst the ants they trivialize and fungi tunics really shouldn't be equippable by level 1s. I'M SORRY I KNOW IT'S NOT CLASSIC.

Nah it's not about prenerf items. Obviously I was being a bit dramatic in my other post. It's the simple fact that the toxic end game mentality that many players are insulated from while leveling right now will be in every zone 30+ because that's where the best items, exp and plat will be. You don't have a whole ton of content to work with that's easily accessible in classic and it will impact your gameplay. Personally I'll play on a green server, but I would caution anyone who thinks it's going to be a significantly better experience over the current environment on blue.

[Kanuvan]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol are you even playing on P99? 30 people in Field of bone right now under lvl 10, saw over 60 in gfay last week. Unrest, Kurns, Mistmoore, CoM, KC, always packed except really late at night or early in the morning.

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

[DMN]

Hrmmmm. Buttcrack reduction from readily available GotDs is possibly reason enough..

[Dillusional]

Originally Posted by Kanuvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

Yeah, well, the average player seems to be in their early to mid thirties now since we were mostly teenagers when this game came out the first time. We've got jobs and families etc. Peak hours are peak hours. Being able to find a group for bar room in SolA 6 out of 7 nights of the week seems pretty legitimate 10 years into the life of the server.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Kanuvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

That's just not true, just took my cleric from 15 to 45 grouping the whole way playing off peak hours, mainly in the mornings EST. Tons of new players on the server right now. Yeah sometimes you have to wait or get your own group together but it's hardly unplayable.

[Talinthis]

Originally Posted by Kanuvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good job looking at numbers only on weekends and only the two zones that house multiple elf races and the strongest race in the game for multiple classes no bias there, every other noob zone and even gfay is dead and low level content is unplayable during off peak hours, guess it is you who hasn't played anything outside your main. Eq1 is only playable on weekends and a few nights a week when people are not raiding on their mains for fresh characters and if your class can't solo, so Twink your alt hard with fungi or enjoy lfg on

everything from cabilis to freeport to gfay and in between has a lot of people everywhere at all times of the day all week long. i started like 2 months ago, there are lots of groups, i just think its you that doesnt know how to find them.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Kanuvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

problem has never been your items, the problem is the new player population is extremely scarce and a 100pp budget is not enough to solo on most classes.

to play this emulator these days you need a 3000p budget atleast so you can solo when no one plays their alts, sorry not everyone wants to be a solo class

The items I listed are all ones I've bought for 40pp or less on alts.

I find you can make a surprising amount of plat simply killing decaying skeletons in North Ro for 3 or 4 levels.

Perhaps newer players will see these items listed for 200pp and think no one would take considerably lower offers. That would be a misconception though.

You don't really need 3k to solo a melee either. I've created so many untwinked characters, often refusing to use EC and can still get by with whatever crap I've found. Sure I won't be chain killing yellows, but whatever.

[aaezil]

If you cant enjoy blue 99 with the current neckbeards why would you assume you will enjoy green 99 with the exact same neckbeards