Is it legal to repeatedly kill a quest mob just to prevent others from getting?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by bigjeff100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no problem with MQ's but I feel like the whole camping multiple corpses thing is a bit too much.. Like the dude who has half a dozen corpses in A4. Common man...

I feel like there's a very simple, common sense rule that could be added, which wouldn't require any unclassic changes. In fact, it's very much in the spirit of other "play nice policies" guiding GMs on live during the classic era, and had this been an issue back then I feel like it's the least they would have done:

You are not allowed to store LORE items on a corpse if another player is waiting for your camp. When such a player arrives you can hold the camp until the next time you loot the item, but then you must give the camp over to them. Players who violate this rule will have all of their corpses destroyed, among other penalties.

(Ok maybe that last part isn't very classic, but it seems like it would fit here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

[mickmoranis]

ITT

people who found a meaning to their lives farming in eq

then a bunch of normies come in and try to take it away from them, like they did 4chan and everything else

YOULL ALL RUE THE DAY WHEN US INCELS EXACT OUR REVENGE

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last night I was camping the AC in S Ro. Eventually I saw the AC, and he went down and was looted by a certain Druid.

And then 72 minutes later I was back for another chance at the AC. I did not see it, but there were several congratulatory messages in /ooc for the same Druid.

And then the Druid was there again 72 minutes later, greedy for another.

And as I thought about it, it seemed unlikely to me that someone could sell and execute even one J Boots MQ that quickly, around 1 am est on a weekday, and be back in S Ro for the next spawn chance. The travel, the gold, getting the rapier(s), finding Hasten. And then to do it again, after 2 am?

Seems possible that if someone is attempting to monopolize the AC, which drops an item that is essential for completing the quest for one of the game's most powerful items, that they would have an economic incentive to prevent anyone else from accessing AC loot.

Is it possible to destroy a Lore item on a body without looting it? Because I am a bit confused as to what happened. I find it more or less impossible to MQ off a J Boot quest at that hour, and so quickly. But I did see the Druid loot the AC, and then he was back around an hour later, getting congratulated for another.

Considering the J Boots quest is so very important, it seems detrimental to player QoL to allow the exact classes that don't need its reward to prevent everyone else from doing the quest.

So is it okay to repeatedly track and kill a quest mob, even when it seems fairly obvious the camper is not getting anything and doing so merely to block others?

Thanks

Dude, JBoots are not that important. I don't care what anyone else says, you are better off buying SOW pots than throwing several thousand pp at a no drop item. It's pretty easy to farm 600 pp an hour, spend 2 hours doing that and never think about JBoots again.

I went to 55 on my necro and maybe spend 800 pp on sow pots total.

Fungi tunic is a completely different story. Fungi is so ridiculously good I'm surprised it doesn't go for more than 50k.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT

people who found a meaning to their lives farming in eq

then a bunch of normies come in and try to take it away from them, like they did 4chan and everything else

YOULL ALL RUE THE DAY WHEN US INCELS EXACT OUR REVENGE

>normies on p99
They either wouldn't know how to install or bought a legit Titanium copy, I'm not sure which disgusts me more.

[Menden]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like there's a very simple, common sense rule that could be added, which wouldn't require any unclassic changes. In fact, it's very much in the spirit of other "play nice policies" guiding GMs on live during the classic era, and had this been an issue back then I feel like it's the least they would have done:



(Ok maybe that last part isn't very classic, but it seems like it would fit here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

SRO AC isn't a camp.

OOT AC is a camp, if other players are waiting for it this rule takes effect.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OOT AC is a camp, if other players are waiting for it this rule takes effect.

Oh, well y'all are one step ahead of me then [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[GnomeCaptain]

First off, thank you trolls for continuing to poop where you eat. I'm glad I rarely encounter people such as yourselves in game =)

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Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a better world, you'd be right.

but that is not our world.

hope this helps!

We make our world with standards, resolve, and action. I see no reason to have rules that encourage greedy farmers to use exploits to deny access to something as central to the game as J Boots.

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@OP - just wait until you're in your upper 50s / 60 in Seb camping King for a fungi tunic and the bard in your group mostly AFK singing mana song wins the roll and puts his 2nd corpse on the ground to loot his 3rd fungi of the weekend.

Sounds nasty, but incidentally I can't use the fungi, nor is it a NO DROP LORE item used for a very important quest.

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get some levels and camp AC in OoT. The Sro AC is FTE, so either play a class that can easily FTE it, get a bard or druid friend to help you, or accept you're not guaranteed it or anything here. There are no exploits going on, it just doesn't work how you want it to.

Corpsing to possess multiple LORE items is a blatant exploit of myopic code. Do you seriously think the designers said "Lore means you can only have one...Unless of course you die and leave it on your body, because having a personal graveyard storage center is totally in line with our vision and healthy for the game?"

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SRO AC isn't a camp.

OOT AC is a camp, if other players are waiting for it this rule takes effect.

Declaring one a camp and the other not seems baseless and arbitrary.
And why do the rules of P99 permit this obvious exploit?

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care what anyone else says, you are better off buying SOW pots than throwing several thousand pp at a no drop item.

Exactly, I just want to do this quest, as the designers intended. Not pay some greedy, exploiting farmer a ransom so I can complete the J Boots quest.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you seriously think the designers said "Lore means you can only have one...Unless of course you die and leave it on your body, because having a personal graveyard storage center is totally in line with our vision and healthy for the game?"

They quite probably did say something like that. You might not be aware but P1999's host uses no code from the original game. The server is it's own entity, programmed specifically to re-create the original game as much as practical, in some cases even known glitches. Hence LORE items stacking on corpses is present here on purpose. They've had 9 years to take it out if they didn't want it to be here. It might be scummy, it might cause discussion and argument within the community....but that's how the original game was, so that's how they made it here.

Yeah, there are some things that aren't fully classic here. Sometimes it's because of an inability to backdate the client, other issues are out of choice. It's their world, their choice.

Danth

[eezl]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They quite probably did say something like that. You might not be aware but P1999's host uses no code from the original game. The server is it's own entity, programmed specifically to re-create the original game as much as practical, in some cases even known glitches. Hence LORE items stacking on corpses is present here on purpose. They've had 9 years to take it out if they didn't want it to be here. It might be scummy, it might cause discussion and argument within the community....but that's how the original game was, so that's how they made it here.

Yeah, there are some things that aren't fully classic here. Sometimes it's because of an inability to backdate the client, other issues are out of choice. It's their world, their choice.

Danth

Why can't I upvote.

[Maliant]

Give it up dude, a GM just explained it to you. Reason one is a camp is OOT AC has one stationary PH. SRO AC only spawns at a specific time in a random location so it's an FTE race not a camp.

I had to wait until level 60 and wait quite a while on a list to get my jboots for my necro but I got them eventually. Just keep working at it, the anticipation will make them that much better when you get them.