Regarding the new spell file and such.

[Savok]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've posted before in my support of the original posting by bubbles, and I will reiterate what he and many others have echoed in this thread -- the line to draw between how classic this server should be is subjective, and with many issues, a large majority of us are in agreement with the changes being made.

I believe I can also definitively say that this is not one of those times. Not being able to right click spell gems is masochistic on a completely unnecessarily painful level, and I urge, please, for the devs to reconsider this particular issue.

You could say the same thing about /melody but most people couldn't give a shit about it. As a bard having both would be awesome but then its not classic. Its all subjective.

Where do you cross the line?

[Striiker]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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So..you're saying... there's... a... chance? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That made me laugh because I could see/hear that scene in my mind. (and I laughed when I first saw that part in the movie)

[xshayla701]

ok I know I'm a little late... but I guess being new to the game helped me out here. I didn't know you could right-click spell gems to mem until I was already 50. spell book is already organized [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[karsten]

oh even as a non-bard I highly support melody being ingame, but that is a somewhat different issue

[Extunarian]

As someone who plays a shaman and an enchanter, I wasn't super thrilled about this change. However after sitting down and re-arranging my spell book and polishing up my spell sets I have most of my bases covered. And for those weird one-off spells like see invisible or summon food I just threw all of them on a random page in the back and made a /book 44 hotbutton.

I found this actually makes spell swapping faster for me because I was always too lazy to create a really robust list of spell sets, and individually selecting can mean a lot of extra actions. YMMV, I suppose.

And for those who claim there was no warning for this change:

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right-clicking a spell gem no longer brings up a context menu. Organize your spellbooks, you'll be spending more time in them.

The question for Uthgaard is: was this intentional? Certainly seems so by the message.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question for Uthgaard is: was this intentional? Certainly seems so by the message.

It's worthwhile to mention that it could be intentional, but only because it wasn't avoidable given certain changes also being implemented. It's possible it's like the issue where we can't currently bind at the NK gypsy camp - just the way the source is designed or how hard it would be to pull off and how easy it is to break makes it annoying.

Or maybe it was just a "not classic" thing so they removed it in purpose.

Dunno. Just listing the possibilities.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know, it's not as horrid as book-in-the-face medding or anything
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I'm not asking anyone to change anything, just to remember it's always been a mix of striving for the classic element with newer UIs in the first place that's kept this place truckin along. I'd be curious to see if everyone got their 'wish' and the only option was 'tinybox in window' 640x480 resolution'
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Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've posted before in my support of the original posting by bubbles, and I will reiterate what he and many others have echoed in this thread -- the line to draw between how classic this server should be is subjective, and with many issues, a large majority of us are in agreement with the changes being made.

Are you guys saying, and i'm not specifically referring to right-clicking spell gems.. if p99 was completely classic, you wouldn't play? Aka, you log in, hear old music, walk around in dark, if you're a caster you must open the spellbook to meditate till you're lvl 35, item links don't work, ducking doesn't immediately interrupt spells and f10 goes between this and this?

640x480 wasn't mandatory btw, even in 1999, iirc. I had a hercules geforce 1, r.i.p.

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you guys saying, and i'm not specifically referring to right-clicking spell gems.. if p99 was completely classic, you wouldn't play? Aka, you log in, hear old music, walk around in dark, if you're a caster you must open the spellbook to meditate till you're lvl 35, item links don't work, ducking doesn't immediately interrupt spells and f10 goes between this and this?

640x480 wasn't mandatory btw, even in 1999, iirc. I had a hercules geforce 1, r.i.p.

I'd play that in a heartbeat and never look back, but I know there isn't a "switch" you can flip that does it all in one fell swoop. And I know that if there WAS such a switch, you'd use it in a second. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope we all understand that we are slowly evolving towards classic Everquest (not away from it). And although we may never get there 100%, we might get there 99%.

99% classic EQ (currently maybe 90%?) is FAR closer than anything else out there. Not sure about the rest of you, but that's why I'm here.

[Humerox]

even though some changes may not be popular, people should be bowing down and kissing the devs behinds.

since this is server chat i'll be nice...but all you people blasting the devs are on crack.

i'd play if nary a thing was different from the original classic. we've all been somewhat spoiled here.

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[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you guys saying, and i'm not specifically referring to right-clicking spell gems.. if p99 was completely classic, you wouldn't play? Aka, you log in, hear old music, walk around in dark, if you're a caster you must open the spellbook to meditate till you're lvl 35, item links don't work, ducking doesn't immediately interrupt spells and f10 goes between this and this?

640x480 wasn't mandatory btw, even in 1999, iirc. I had a hercules geforce 1, r.i.p.

nah, you're forgetting your #1 appeal : longevity.

You haven't just provided a past time where people go 'oh wow thats neat!" and play a month and move on to something else. Because this has strived to be close to classic and been done so extremely well we stay. We whine about the stupidest of things, but we keep logging in. Which is the real feedback, when it all comes down to it.

Without the 1999 classic tag you would have gotten the same 10k faces through the door. You wouldnt have kept 1k around logging in nightly and god knows how many more come kunark without the efforts to keep the integrity. Most EMU custom content servers have about a 3month shelf life for the new soul logging in and creating a toon. There's a ton of people who have been here for over a year.

You also have to factor in how many are here that *weren't* around in 1999. It's astounding the amount of people i've walked through lower guk and mistmoore and sol b who simply had never, ever been in those zones. There's a ton of people who clocked in here to find out what 'classic was really like'.

In a lot of ways, this *is* 1999 for a lot of people that weren't there in the beginning. Some people really are shocked that Breeze wasn't always there at 16, that newbie quest armor isn't supposed to be there, that they can find a ton of people in EC tunnel and Oasis at all hours.. etc..

You merely need to hit the EQC forum to see the fruits of single-mindedly obsessing over getting anything and everything completely classic. If this server mirrored that flag banner as opposed to the 'lets get it as close as we can on the fly, come try us out in the meantime anyways' mantra that's prevailed on here, we might never have held the numbers we have for this long.

That's why you'll always have factions on both sides of issues, whether it's ganking out manastones and guises, whether there is boats or teleporters.. UI issues like this one, and the neverending 'why is my class nerfed!?!?!' threads. Not everyone knew what it was like back then, and it's silly to assume that everyone here even cares. You care, of course, and you're calling the shots. So that's what really matters, at the end of the day.

Just believe me when i say: you got the top 5% from about 10 different servers here, and you're going to want to seriously consider two full servers come kunark, because while a typical Verant Server in 2000 may have had 2k people on it, they sure as hell weren't all level 50.9999 and ready to wreak hell on one another and RnF. And all the ones who went afk for kunark are about to reawaken. You were caught by surprise by your own succes when beta ended and live launched the first time. Be ready for the chaos this time. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a selfish personal request, any chance you can leave beta open after launch? For the times we feel like goofing off without the 2k people who were 'too uber and angry' to participate in beta? I'm going to miss that place. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a random suggestion as a thank you to all those who came late, how about a nice little day or two "Thanks all for a great year on p99/Goodbye to Classic' celebration where random mobs drop a couple pre nerf guises and manastones and rubi pieces and whatever, like a small gm event for a lil 'see ya classic, hello kunark' send off?