Stormfeather -- Policy Incorrect?

[Runningfish]

Might seem dumb to you if you just got to the camp and learned this is the rule but when you've been there for 36 hours and SF just skipped again your going to be happy that you can sleep while you wait for the next window.

As far as the list goes. I go by the same thing you do. If someone asks me to put them on the list when they aren't actually at the hill and I'm holding the camp I just wont do it. In my opinion if you want to be on the list you need to actually be at the camp.

[Toomuch]

Originally Posted by Runningfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Might seem dumb to you if you just got to the camp and learned this is the rule but when you've been there for 36 hours and SF just skipped again your going to be happy that you can sleep while you wait for the next window.

Oh, I'm not saying you can't AFK and sleep - you totally can AFK and sleep, just like my analogy of being in line at the big box store on Black Friday. At the store, you bring a sleeping bag/tent, and sleep right there. In EQ, you leave your character afk and logged in, and you go sleep in your nice warm bed in real life. If you want to be extra good/nice, you can AFK with the message that you're camping Stormfeather, and maybe even include the list as it was at the time you went AFK.

The thing people really want to be OK is for them to not actually wait in line. They want to go DO other things in game, and pretend like they were also camping it, and come back and have 0 penalty for having gotten out of line. That's just dumb, mostly because it's unfair to the people who, like you, have put a lot into it.

In other words, someone who has been waiting at the spawn for 36 or 54 hours straight just to be next in line should not be able to be beaten out by someone who has been logged in a total of 2 hours during that time, or maybe not even logged in at all, let alone hasn't been in the zone at all. The fact that someone who isn't putting in the work/time can just do whatever and then be on top of the list, it just makes zero logical sense. If you don't put in the work, you don't get the reward.

I mean, I don't know how else to say it at this point. Should I walk up to Walmart on Black Friday, right before they open the doors, and be like "hey dudes, sorry, I was here earlier this week and got on the list, back off. Thanks for holding down the fort though!"

[paulgiamatti]

There are no server rules that dictate how camp lists should be enforced, so your gripe is entirely with the P99 playerbase. I'm sure it's been done before, but if I were holding a Stormfeather list I would simply say that you must be at the spawn in order to be next in line. When adding subsequent people to the list, I'd inform them that if they become runner-up (in the case that the current runner-up leaves or logs off), they must then be present at the camp or forfeit their spot. Any disagreement means they don't get to be on the list.

As long as it's consistent, and you're giving each player the exact same opportunity, it should be kosher under server law. The problem is getting this system accepted as server protocol, which probably couldn't happen without some kind of GM enforcement because most P99ers generally don't do things that require slightly more than minimal effort.

[Rang]

Instead of crying about the camp/list mechanics, how about just be glad it’s not an FTE rule mob so you don’t have anon A/A alts with auto fire on selling the LR every spawn?

[Lhancelot]

I am just glad I don't "need" this item.

Seems like a lot of drama over nothing tbh. So many other things in the game to do instead of get rustled over something like this.

Oh well, whatever floats ya'lls boats I guess. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wfrench1234]

No one “needs” it, but it sure is nice.

That being said, I just ignore it’s existe because I am not in a place where I can be available at the drop of a hat to check spawns

[Teako]

You are incredibly lucky that you did not get suspended for snarking off at Menden.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Kinaki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good luck staying awake and never afking for 72 hours. Honestly, it's people like you that make that camp a living hell - having to take naps with one eye open to stave off the constant barrage of the clueless.

Learning how to sleep at your keyboard in a semi-functional state IS the game of EQ.

Classic.

[katrik]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has been going on for years at AC. Whoever's camp it is can hand it off to whoever they want as long as the next person is there before respawn. If you think the list is bullshit, don't use the list, and when it is your camp give it to the next guy waiting there, or whoever you want. That's what I did at AC. Lists exist to enlist random people to help the cartel members get top priority. Don't use the list.

^this.

I think certain camps need certain rules. The amount of abuse I’ve seen @ AC is disgusting.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^this.

I think certain camps need certain rules. The amount of abuse I’ve seen @ AC is disgusting.

They actually had staff-enforced rules on live. If someone was camping X, and wouldn't give it up after they got their desired item (ie. not after they'd farmed ten copies of it over 20 hours) the GMs would intervene and force them to give the camp up to the next person on the list.

Many people aren't aware of this because of the general good etiquette of the population back then, athe lack of neckbeards monopolizing camps, and the variance between how different GMs handled things on different servers. However if you read the guidebooks written by Verant for GMs in that era stuff like that was clearly covered.