since when is it ok to steal camps

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I imagine the reason the rules are like this is to prevent hypothetical scenarios of say a single person claiming a camp they can't solo

Had this happen once. ^

Me and some unknown SK were at MM pond area, the only ones in front half of zone. I pulled a garg that was up, while he was killing some elf when he came running up to me to say I was KSing him. I said the mob was up, as well as tons of other mobs, and the guy berged hard for over an hour in tells.

He claimed the entire pond was his camp, and because I pulled a garg then an elf that was nearby I was encroaching his camp and KSing him. He clearly was not keeping all spawns cleared. He even tried to KS me after I pulled an elf, saying I was KSing him because I pulled from HIS pond camp.

I never met a more retarded and asinine player since being on P99. Dude sent me tells for over a hour.

[Phenyo]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or perhaps to prevent the hypothetical of a wizard AFKing at a giant fort for 30 minutes and coming back to find 2 other people moved in and started killing, and using the excuse of medding to explain why every single mob was left up for a lengthy period of time.

dunked, OP presented his case to the court of RnF and has been found wanting.

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[Cecily]

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[Pokesan]

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ok i need this gimme a link

[Cecily]

Over the Garden Wall.

[Legidias]

Yeah but its MM. Pond camps (even with a full group) half the time try to claim the entire entry area + entire canyon as their camped mobs.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but its MM. Pond camps (even with a full group) half the time try to claim the entire entry area + entire canyon as their camped mobs.

I can deal with that. There's a big difference between a full group holding pond, and one lone SK soloing, don't you think?

[Legidias]

Sure, but what if it was some uber twinked solo SK with (sub45) raid buffs on and clearing everything like crazy? Still doesnt hold claim on, say, canyon mobs if someone wants to kill those.

Not disagreeing with you at all about people being stupid on camp greed, but it doesnt make a difference if its a single vs group. Just talking about clearing speed / defined area of camp.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can deal with that. There's a big difference between a full group holding pond, and one lone SK soloing, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, but what if it was some uber twinked solo SK with (sub45) raid buffs on and clearing everything like crazy? Still doesnt hold claim on, say, canyon mobs if someone wants to kill those.

There's a certain genius to the current camp rules when it comes to solos. If the lone SK at the pond is competing against a lone shaman (say) at the canyon, the SK gets one pond mob, the shaman gets one canyon mob, and then it's a "race" for all the rest. On average the mobs should roughly get distributed to each player proportionally to their killing speed. Elegant, fair, and no GMs need to get involved.

Then you get to groups and that simplicity goes out the window: instead of camps being easy-to-define singles they become amorphous mob collections that every player/GM seems to define differently. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but what if group camp rules could somehow get the simplicity/elegance of solo camp rules? Like what if a group could officially claim a camp of exactly as many mobs as they have people. You'd have to pick a mob to start and the rest of the mobs would have to be next to it (ie. you couldn't claim mobs scattered all over the dungeon). Everything beyond those mobs would be FTE.

In this scenarios a group doing crypt in Seb could claim all four nameds and the ICGs. They could still do CE also, but if another player/group came and wanted CE the first group would have to give either it or the crypt up. But if they keep crypt, and another group came in and said "we want to split crypt" the first group could tell them to suck it, because they've got the mobs claimed already.

I don't know if that exact rule would work, but I just feel like the simpler, less ambiguous, and more globally-applicable the rules are the more likely everyone on the server is to follow them without creating drama ... and I feel like the current solo camp rules are much closer to that than the group ones.

[sereal]

In a community as small as p99 not being nice is just doing yourself a disfavour, people got good memories.

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