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[Humerox]

Originally Posted by maegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that the AC in SRO requires that much precise work...

This is the fallacy, and it's why people claim it's a "camp".

However...like I said before...if someone is there trying to spawn it, I'm not stepping on their toes. No matter what method they're using.

[maegi]

Humerox, while I disagree with a lot you said in this post, I will give you props for not being a selfish camp stealing douche bag all about the loot kind of guy. In fact, I've read a lot of your posts on other threads and agreed with most and laughed at a few. So you're good people despite our differences of opinion at times.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by maegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Humerox, while I disagree with a lot you said in this post, I will give you props for not being a selfish camp stealing douche bag all about the loot kind of guy. In fact, I've read a lot of your posts on other threads and agreed with most and laughed at a few. So you're good people despite our differences of opinion at times.

Thanks!

I'm gonna go a bit further on OP's issue. When I started playing, I thought P99 was something to be cherished too (*still do*)...and when I saw what was happening to the server a few months back, I went ballistic. Overboard. I had to step back and realize that this game means different things to different people, and no matter how much I wanted it to be a certain way, it wasn't going to be a bastion of love and happiness in a jaded MMO world.

I advise the OP to do what I did. Step back and realize that once your only concern is loot, you're lost. All issues between people here revolve around gear. It's not about competitiveness, because the guild dynamics here don't allow nor prefer true competition, nor do they allow for a shared structure.

Now that Kunark is coming up, I think a lot will change. There will be enough content to go around. ATM, you have a bajillion 50's with nowhere to go, competing with the newer playerbase for content.

The devs have gotten rid of most of the trash players, and they work hard to keep the game A$$hole free...and do a pretty good job of it, imho. Although we have lost some good devs because of player attitude, it's only because they took it to heart, and forgot that MOST of the player population doesn't play forum-wars.


Wait it through. The community here is fundamentally solid, and will get a whole lot better when new content opens up.

Hopefully, you'll stay.

Peace.

[Teeroyoyort]

I'm curious how the enchanter died. He had to be lvl 29+ to cast clairty. So let's assume he was lvl 29. I'd imagine he'd summon a pet, and has root in his arsenal. Can a lvl 29 enchanter kill a sand giant with his pet? I'm sure he could with enough patience. So why did he die in the 1st place?

Answer: The entire guild of VD trained him! and left 3 to hold to camp.

[Zereh]

If I died and someone douchebagged my camp I'd be ticked; as you all would be were the roles reversed. Pretending otherwise is just plain BS.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I died and someone douchebagged my camp I'd be ticked; as you all would be were the roles reversed. Pretending otherwise is just plain BS.

I guess I don't understand why you think that a camp is yours if you can't stay alive. Isn't that one of the only things required for you to say that the camp is yours in the first place? You have to be there, not be afk, and be able to stay alive. That's all that it takes to hold a camp.

I'm being honest with you in saying yes that I would be ticked. I would be ticked at myself for dying, not some other guy playing by the rules. I would expect somebody to take my camp the instant I die while trying to hold said camp.

If you die while on a camp, you lose that camp. I thought this was understood and it amazes me how many people here don't agree with those rules. I agree with Yendor/Badmartigan's views on the situation. I mean, how long do you wait after somebody dies until you claim their camp? It is a slippery slope and if people are camping something they should understand that if they DIE, that camp is lost if somebody else claims it before returning.

[Randy]

Originally Posted by Badmartigan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For me to DIE at a camp.. and run back is my mistake.. and i OWN that mistake.. i dont blame others for moving in and taking over.. thats just the nature of the game... I'm not going to go calling people douchebags for playing EQ to the letter of this servers law.

I agree, losing a camp is just an added penalty if you/your group fails to maintain it. But if i get trained and die, should I still lose my camp? If my groups only healer goes LD during a pull and we die, should I still lose the camp? Its those type of situations where the "rules are the rules" thing doesn't work for me and i'd think you're a douche for taking the camp.

Most of the time, depending on the location, I think you should give someone 15-25mins to recover. That's just being nice.

Though in this case being the Sro/AC camp, I wouldn't fault them for taking over like they did cause you either had to be AFK, LD during combat, too weak to hold the camp, or have no clue what you're doing to you actually die there.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I've lost camps due to death before. I'm a ranger, after all. And just like skipdog said above... yes, I'd be ticked. I was ticked that I spent all day at the dhampyre camp in Mistmoore, didn't get a shot at a HBC all day, then the Cloaked Dhampyre spawns and subsequently pwns me. And because I'm a melee, I have to run all the way back from the Gfay zoneline only to find someone took the camp on me. I'd be super ticked. AT MYSELF. Because I am the only one to blame. If I couldn't hold the camp solo, MY FAULT. If I didn't have a few people come in and help back me up if I didn't think I could keep the camp, MY FAULT. Stop blaming everyone but the guy who couldn't hold the camp.

This isn't even about loot. This is about people holding other people accountable for some sort of meta rules that only exist in their heads and nowhere in reality for anyone to review, and then calling people douchebags because they didn't follow them.

The way some of you want it, before I do anything in game, I have to check the server rules to make sure I won't get petitioned for it, then check over the OP's idea of what is right and wrong, then soup's version of what would be douchetastic or not, then send Badmartigan and skipdog and Zereh some tells to ask what they think of it to make sure I'm following their subjective code of honor, blah blah blah. That is completely ridiculous and unrealistic.

If you want to call some members of my guild douchebags for not adhering to your individual subjective codes of honor that you hold everyone accountable for, fine... I can't stop that. All I can do is try to point out that it's an unrealistic expectation that we are all responsible for knowing everyone else's version of what is acceptable and unacceptable.

I expect everyone in my guild to treat everyone on the server with respect by following the server rules that are all available to us for review. Yes, acts of courtesy above and beyond that are great and welcomed... but why are we being obligated and held accountable otherwise? Yes, IB/DW didn't have to let VD have three attempts at the Spiroc Lord the first time we tried it on our own. But they did, and it was great. Bravo to them!

But if they had swooped in and nabbed him without even so much as rezzing one of our clerics after we wiped? Completely legit. Our fault for not having our crap together on the first attempt and succeeding.

Just like the still warm enchanter corpse at the AC camp. Sorry bro. For every time someone lets you take back the camp, there are 5 other times where that person isn't shown the same courtesy when they wipe out.

How many times should that happen before it's okay for that person to stop being a doormat?

[Klyre]

Listen to yourselves....I mean really listen. You are all willing to hate so easily and toss crap around. Are you all just looking for a place to rant?

It still comes down to who you are and what you are willing to follow.

Could the defendants of this rant handled it better? Yeah maybe. Are they in the wrong? Not really as by Phragmar's own words

I gave Rilen a hail and he told me that he had died

This is still within the confines of the server rules. Does this mean that you have to follow them, no the defendants could have talked it over and given Rilen the camp. Honorable. Or they could keep the camp. Sorry I guess I don't see what’s wrong with that.

Some rules in P99 are ambiguous, but this one is not, if you die you no longer have rights to the camp.

The only person who really has anything to bitch about is Rilen. But instead it’s become fair game to complain about how horrible everyone else is to you, and what a nasty guild they have over there.

[mitic]

why keep ppl sayin AC in sro is a "camp"?

its clearly not. different story in oot but not in sro.