Open Classic Dragons Raid Agreement 2017

[skarlorn]

Reminder: this is an agreement for two outdated raid mobs that have no bearing on your NTOV geared toons.

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[Aviann]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reminder: this is an agreement for two outdated raid mobs that have no bearing on your NTOV geared toons.

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I'm guessing you haven't seen Nagafen's loot table in a while... Bladestoppers, Prayers, CoF... You also think all of our toons are full ToV gear? Come on man. That takes work and time... Time above all.

[Lemonhead]

Hi Skarlorn,

I have a few thoughts.

1: Will people be able to pass their /ran to another specific person for no drop gear (they could just MQ it of course) I agree not giving it to only bards who will probably mq it for the cash (and you might be get a bard only raid!).

2: There will be a lot of /ran's. Perhaps a roll master should be set up to /log and monitor /ran's as it will be easy to double roll. Also, a nice way to set up /ran's for multiple drops is piece 1: /ran 1111, piece 2: /ran 2222, etc. Roll rules should be clarified for these possible gigantic raids ahead of time.

3: I really like the shame idea, lets set up a UN style monitoring system so every /anon name can be gathered and posted. They can then be heckled at all times. It is really the only way this works, and the power of the people in action. Shame drives human behavior greater than lust, most often. (besides psychopaths of course)


PS It really isn't that much to ask of the raid guilds to give up 2 mobs a month (and you can attend on a schedule and have a chance at the loot, albeit a smaller one) This isn't about the loot, it's about the experience, and it's essentially just a fun server wide event twice a month. Just chill out, come along and have some fun!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everquest was always about competition, and those who say otherwise have never had the enjoyment of the competitive atmosphere of high end raiding during live.

You had ONE experience on live; don't assume everyone else had the same experience. Take Bristlebane: we had plenty of "competition". We had our top guild Club Fu, their rivals the Arch Overseers, and a few other competitive raiding guilds as well. I wasn't in any of them, but I was friends in real life with like half of Fu (we all played together at a communal gaming center), so I'm nevertheless familiar with what top level raiding was like.

But Bristlebane also had open dragon raids, and as I said before, I led one. Maybe not in the Velious era (ie. two years in), but not long after, and long before year eight (or whatever year we're on here). To "compete" for Vox I went to a webpage somewhere and said "hey, I'd like to kill Vox". I won a roll or something (I forget exactly how the GMs did it, as it's been awhile), and I got a slot on the calendar. When it was my turn I recruited players from all over the server, killed Vox, got zero loot for myself, and had an absolute blast.

That's my 100% classic/live dragon experience. And I don't remember anyone back then whining about how unfair it was that we didn't "compete" for a digital dragon. To be fair, they had Luclin content to distract them, and we don't ... but then again live didn't have six(?) years of Kunark either.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe it originates from years of us putting in effort to actually get what we wanted, and then people coming from nowhere and trying to come up with these agreements that would in turn take away from us and give to those who have put zero effort into getting said pixels aside from typing up a long essay on why it would be a good idea to get more stuff taken away from us....

In half the threads "top guild" members brag about how they don't do shit and get rewarded with pixels, in the other half of threads "top guild" members talk about their "years of effort". At least the first group is being honest that maybe 5% of their guild carries the other 95% and they just show up in response to batphones.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You had ONE experience on live; don't assume everyone else had the same experience. Take Bristlebane: we had plenty of "competition". We had our top guild Club Fu, their rivals the Arch Overseers, and a few other competitive raiding guilds as well. I wasn't in any of them, but I was friends in real life with like half of Fu (we all played together at a communal gaming center), so I'm nevertheless familiar with what top level raiding was like.

But Bristlebane also had open dragon raids, and as I said before, I led one. Maybe not in the Velious era (ie. two years in), but not long after, and long before year eight (or whatever year we're on here). To "compete" for Vox I went to a webpage somewhere and said "hey, I'd like to kill Vox". I won a roll or something (I forget exactly how the GMs did it, as it's been awhile), and I got a slot on the calendar. When it was my turn I recruited players from all over the server, killed Vox, got zero loot for myself, and had an absolute blast.

That's my 100% classic/live dragon experience. And I don't remember anyone back then whining about how unfair it was that we didn't "compete" for a digital dragon. To be fair, they had Luclin content to distract them, and we don't ... but then again live didn't have six(?) years of Kunark either.

I was on Bristlebane myself inside Ring of Valor, I speak from experience. I know about the open dragon raids but those didn't come about until the midmark of PoP. Know how I know? Because I was the one that put them on. The fact you weren't in a raiding guild is irrelevant, it was still competitive as hell. AO fell rather quickly once PoP came about, Fu stayed pretty constant, but after a while even Circle of Legends fell low... Those competitive guilds that stayed at the top are actually the same ones still there today... that alone is proof that the competitive nature of endgame keeps people interested...

And screw Vox.. so many PURs wiped to that CH. I used to actually do open raids in the planes really often as well when I was leading Morning Star, and that's only because we didn't have the numbers to do it alone.

This is beginning to be a lot like Antifa. So anti-fascist, you become fascist in trying to destroy fascism. People need to quit trying to force rotations on people and play the damn game.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's give people a chance, shall we? After all, it's the Current Year. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to be ignorant of where your own guild and guild leader stands on this topic... and why so much anger and rage? Dude, relax. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

***Why are so many high tier raiders/veterans so high strung and pissy about pixels and everything else?

Because we work hard just like everyone else. we didnt just wake up one day and decide hey were going to go kill these dragons we practiced and practiced and practiced hell p99 had a test server forsaken and rampage went there and did the fights I had a blast doing that. its not my fault your guild doesnt want to compete and want to learn the fights. people say they are hugnry for loot right? well put up or shut up as the saying goes. we didnt just wake up and instantly become gods at racing and fte. nobody is upset at for you wanting dragons..... but you cant do it unless you try or go crying on these forums like the OP

Originally Posted by mattydef [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You might want to talk to your leader, he seems to have a very different opinion about this than you. Unless of course he's just being sarcastic and plans on screwing everything up.

I guess you werent there when everything was rotated before when either aftermath or awakened gets suspended something always happens break the rotations or leave very little to the little guy...... Detoxx wasnt being sarcastic at all I know how he feels about the situation...... and thats fine

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cut him some slack. He has to try and fill the shoes of a legacy of retarded posters. Since Maner jumped ship to TLP, and a lot mostly inactive at this point, they need soldiers to step up. Contradicting their fearless leader in the same thread who agreed on tossing some scraps out is a new one for me though. Good shit. Keep up the good fight.

actually no I hardly log on these forums anymore or even in general....... I didnt even know maner left. last time I was on was june...... dick my grandma passed away you wanna know from what? cancer.

[zodium]

I attended open Naggy/Vox raids on Xegony as early as Kunark (edit: or early Velious, maybe), and they worked very well. It was very exciting to see my first dragon and eventually get my feet wet leading a bit! I hope it will work well here too. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on Bristlebane myself inside Ring of Valor, I speak from experience. I know about the open dragon raids but those didn't come about until the midmark of PoP. Know how I know? Because I was the one that put them on. The fact you weren't in a raiding guild is irrelevant, it was still competitive as hell. AO fell rather quickly once PoP came about, Fu stayed pretty constant, but after a while even Circle of Legends fell low... Those competitive guilds that stayed at the top are actually the same ones still there today... that alone is proof that the competitive nature of endgame keeps people interested...

And screw Vox.. so many PURs wiped to that CH. I used to actually do open raids in the planes really often as well when I was leading Morning Star, and that's only because we didn't have the numbers to do it alone.

This is beginning to be a lot like Antifa. So anti-fascist, you become fascist in trying to destroy fascism. People need to quit trying to force rotations on people and play the damn game.

I honestly don't remember when exactly when my Vox raid was (I was in college, and lots of pot was involved), so let's say it was in PoP (10/2002- 2/2003). EQ was released in March of 1999, which means there were open Vox raids on Bristlebane less than four 4 years after release.

P99 was released in October of 2009. Even if we imagine that Vox wasn't around until the next year that's still seven years that Vox has been killed on this server. In other words, it's taken about twice as long here before we got open dragon raids as it took on Bristlebane.

And that was just on Bristlebane ...

Originally Posted by planarity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My first raid on live was an open naggy raid shortly after velious release

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notice in the 4th picture: sonic bat begins to cast a spell

So look, I'm not saying top guilds never monopolized the dragons on live: clearly they did. But just as clearly, not all servers were the same: Bristlebane didn't have open raids until PoP while planarity's server had them in Velious. If we tried hard enough we could probably find a server where they started in Luclin.

Open dragon raids are classic. They happened on some servers during the classic period on live, and even if they didn't on other servers, they certainly happened a lot faster than seven years after release.