Need before greed in pickup groups?

[Darkforge]

Need before greed was put into place because we are not all dicks that only look out for ourselves. The first time you get into a group and an item drops for you that is a huge upgrade you will be like "OOOo sweet glade its not greed over need!" You would bitch a fit if you were a warrior and a druid took a plate item from you....

Welcome to being considerate of other players......Go back to WoW if u want to roll on items that u don't need or can use.

[Glaani]

Always NBG...whether it's friends or total strangers.

It's not all about the plat, there's huge enjoyment in seeing people get an upgrade, and it might be you getting that upgrade.

[Torqumada286]

I remember years ago on live that I was playing in a PUG in Skyfire ad we hashed out the rules. I prefer NBG, because that is just my nature, but was outvoted by the group that we would random everything. The first item to drop was the monk epic quest item, the book of Immortals. and I was playing my monk. The entire party basically said "Sorry, but we're going to random this." I didn't win the roll, the necromancer did. Basically he spent the next hour waving the fact that he had won the item and how much he was going to get for selling it. (I guess he didn't notice the No Drop part of the item description) This was right up to the moment the 56th level Necromancer Pet dropped. Then he was all for NBG and implored the party to allow him to loot it. I argued again with the party that they said that everything was to be done by random and that we needed to be consistent. So we rolled...and I won. The necro suddenly wanted to make a trade. I calmly informed him that the item he insisted that he could roll on was a No Drop and he was stuck with it, and that I was sure I could sell the spell for a few plat. He said he would buy it off of me. I told him that the spell would cost him 50K platinum. He ragequit the party after that, shouting out to the zone that melee characters should never be allowed to roll on spells. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple of days later I gave the spell to a guildmate necro who needed it.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torqumada

[Icaro]

Originally Posted by Torqumada286 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember years ago on live that I was playing in a PUG in Skyfire ad we hashed out the rules. I prefer NBG, because that is just my nature, but was outvoted by the group that we would random everything. The first item to drop was the monk epic quest item, the book of Immortals. and I was playing my monk. The entire party basically said "Sorry, but we're going to random this." I didn't win the roll, the necromancer did. Basically he spent the next hour waving the fact that he had won the item and how much he was going to get for selling it. (I guess he didn't notice the No Drop part of the item description) This was right up to the moment the 56th level Necromancer Pet dropped. Then he was all for NBG and implored the party to allow him to loot it. I argued again with the party that they said that everything was to be done by random and that we needed to be consistent. So we rolled...and I won. The necro suddenly wanted to make a trade. I calmly informed him that the item he insisted that he could roll on was a No Drop and he was stuck with it, and that I was sure I could sell the spell for a few plat. He said he would buy it off of me. I told him that the spell would cost him 50K platinum. He ragequit the party after that, shouting out to the zone that melee characters should never be allowed to roll on spells. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple of days later I gave the spell to a guildmate necro who needed it.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torqumada

Great story!

Apparently, there is a relation between being selfish and the class you choose.

NB4G FTW!

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Icaro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great story!

Apparently, there is a relation between being selfish and the class you choose.

NB4G FTW!

Everyone in this game is selfish. No one plays this game strictly for other people.

Non-selfish people are probably doing something other than EQ.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Torqumada286 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember years ago on live that I was playing in a PUG in Skyfire ad we hashed out the rules. I prefer NBG, because that is just my nature, but was outvoted by the group that we would random everything. The first item to drop was the monk epic quest item, the book of Immortals. and I was playing my monk. The entire party basically said "Sorry, but we're going to random this." I didn't win the roll, the necromancer did. Basically he spent the next hour waving the fact that he had won the item and how much he was going to get for selling it. (I guess he didn't notice the No Drop part of the item description) This was right up to the moment the 56th level Necromancer Pet dropped. Then he was all for NBG and implored the party to allow him to loot it. I argued again with the party that they said that everything was to be done by random and that we needed to be consistent. So we rolled...and I won. The necro suddenly wanted to make a trade. I calmly informed him that the item he insisted that he could roll on was a No Drop and he was stuck with it, and that I was sure I could sell the spell for a few plat. He said he would buy it off of me. I told him that the spell would cost him 50K platinum. He ragequit the party after that, shouting out to the zone that melee characters should never be allowed to roll on spells. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple of days later I gave the spell to a guildmate necro who needed it.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torqumada

Originally Posted by Icaro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great story!

Apparently, there is a relation between being selfish and the class you choose.

NB4G FTW!

I love it because anyone with half a brain that thinks about this story for more than two seconds will realize it only strengthens the argument for "greed" rolling.

Here's a hint: that necro will play NBG on items he can use, and greed roll for items he can't. There are a shitton of jackasses on this server who will game the system like that any chance they get.

And I quote greed because it's not greedy. Getting 1/6th of the loot (in the long run) is the exact definition of your fair share.

[soup]

Let me ask this again since no one really addressed it:
let's take the fungi tunic example, how do you bring yourself to ask random strangers to help you get one of if not the most expensive and useful items in the game when they have no chance of getting anything useful or valuable?

do you expect total strangers to go to a camp that has nothing for them just to get you gear? sounds pretty selfish to me.

[Estu]

I never got very high in live EQ, though I played it a lot, so my main experience of rolling for loot was in WoW, where it's need before greed by default. Of course, it also makes more sense in WoW, since most of the unique dungeon loot there binds upon pickup. So you don't have the question of whether to sell the item later most of the time.

Coming from this mentality, I've been in favor of need before greed here. However, there are good points against it. I think ultimately I'd go need before greed on loot less than 1kpp, and greed on loot more than 1kpp. The fungi tunic arguments are good - that the casters wouldn't have reason to go to the camp, or that they would be able to buy themselves spells and whatnot. With friends or guildies I think I'd still go need before greed, even with expensive loot.

Also, I've never heard of people rolling need and then selling the item on EC. I guess it's gotta happen, but I don't think it's the epidemic people are making it out to be.

[soup]

Calling it "need before greed" is sort of ironic. Expecting to just be able to take something you want without anyone else getting a shot at it despite putting in the same effort you did sounds like greed to me.

[Pyrocat]

NBG unless the item is worth over 3k