New sneak mechanics = trainfest?

[Erati]

Just need to adjust the time limit of engagement

6 hours per fte LOL

[kotton05]

I'm referrefing to the scenario that multiple dragons will start popping as you race to the first deep ToV spawn with your raid. You kind of understand, giving the trips and doubles will most likely spawn solo, they can spawn with each other and give other guilds a reason to be there. I can forsee trouble. On the other hand. A guild deep inside engaging a mob won't be able to engage any other mobs with a force camped out past the zone line. So once you're north of the wall in a non repop scenario you're locked in.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm referrefing to the scenario that multiple dragons will start popping as you race to the first deep ToV spawn with your raid. You kind of understand, giving the trips and doubles will most likely spawn solo, they can spawn with each other and give other guilds a reason to be there. I can forsee trouble. On the other hand. A guild deep inside engaging a mob won't be able to engage any other mobs with a force camped out past the zone line. So once you're north of the wall in a non repop scenario you're locked in.

Very shortly they are going to realize they are going about it the wrong way. There is very simple ways to setup people each time an FTE happen to babysit the mob down to Aary pit. Heck both guilds already have CotH mages setup to do it in North.

[Lazie]

I'll go ahead and lay it out.

When we first setup binds for Pullers in ToV. Nalken was on his Cleric at PoM with me on my Monk. We both had sow and I had a DA idol. He DA'd and ran first with me behind him. 2 seconds before his DA wore off I hit a DA idol and he TL'ed out. I made it to twins before the idol wore off. Didn't have to even use Voiddance.

So with a CotH mage at Twins/Doubles. You coth in a Bard with a DA and SoW. At PoM You coth in another Bard with a DA idol and SoW. Above Dagarn you CotH in a Necro with SoW.

First bard uses his 2 DA's to drag it to PoM and takes a TL box to LTK...zones out.

2nd Bard picks it up with DA Song and Drags it to Dagarn and TLs to LTK and zones out.

Necro sends pet...DAs and runs to Aary pit. Clicks an idol there if it isnt all the way there before his DA wears off.

That is just a general idea of many ways to do it. And it just takes 3 people to get it there.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll go ahead and lay it out.

When we first setup binds for Pullers in ToV. Nalken was on his Cleric at PoM with me on my Monk. We both had sow and I had a DA idol. He DA'd and ran first with me behind him. 2 seconds before his DA wore off I hit a DA idol and he TL'ed out. I made it to twins before the idol wore off. Didn't have to even use Voiddance.

So with a CotH mage at Twins/Doubles. You coth in a Bard with a DA and SoW. At PoM You coth in another Bard with a DA idol and SoW. Above Dagarn you CotH in a Necro with SoW.

First bard uses his 2 DA's to drag it to PoM and takes a TL box to LTK...zones out.

2nd Bard picks it up with DA Song and Drags it to Dagarn and TLs to LTK and zones out.

Necro sends pet...DAs and runs to Aary pit. Clicks an idol there if it isnt all the way there before his DA wears off.

That is just a general idea of many ways to do it. And it just takes 3 people to get it there.

RIP Casual raiding in NTOV

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll go ahead and lay it out.

When we first setup binds for Pullers in ToV. Nalken was on his Cleric at PoM with me on my Monk. We both had sow and I had a DA idol. He DA'd and ran first with me behind him. 2 seconds before his DA wore off I hit a DA idol and he TL'ed out. I made it to twins before the idol wore off. Didn't have to even use Voiddance.

So with a CotH mage at Twins/Doubles. You coth in a Bard with a DA and SoW. At PoM You coth in another Bard with a DA idol and SoW. Above Dagarn you CotH in a Necro with SoW.

First bard uses his 2 DA's to drag it to PoM and takes a TL box to LTK...zones out.

2nd Bard picks it up with DA Song and Drags it to Dagarn and TLs to LTK and zones out.

Necro sends pet...DAs and runs to Aary pit. Clicks an idol there if it isnt all the way there before his DA wears off.

That is just a general idea of many ways to do it. And it just takes 3 people to get it there.

I look forward to the day when oceans of neckbeard tears wash over the forums because clickies are nerfed into oblivion.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I look forward to the day when oceans of neckbeard tears wash over the forums because clickies are nerfed into oblivion.

They will just coth 2 people to each spot that can DA without clickies. This isn't rocket science and takes 10 minutes of thinking to figure out.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They will just coth 2 people to each spot that can DA without clickies. This isn't rocket science and takes 10 minutes of thinking to figure out.

It takes far more coordination than the previous Rogue Herp Derp FTE with an instant Gate Potion. Will be a learning curve certainly. But pulls will be doable where there are safe CoTH spots. The mages will return though.

One thing I'd really love is if P99 got classic Belly Caster Hate. Currently you can spam mallet a mob out of a train. Belly casters should consider resists due to out side of belly cast range as nearly 0 hate though because it never even had a chance to land.

Would make tagging these things out of trains far more entertaining.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It takes far more coordination than the previous Rogue Herp Derp FTE with an instant Gate Potion. Will be a learning curve certainly. But pulls will be doable where there are safe CoTH spots. The mages will return though.

One thing I'd really love is if P99 got classic Belly Caster Hate. Currently you can spam mallet a mob out of a train. Belly casters should consider resists due to out side of belly cast range as nearly 0 hate though because it never even had a chance to land.

Would make tagging these things out of trains far more entertaining.

Yeah. But if the person just has body aggro on it that is training 2 clicks is more aggro if the person running it around is out of Mellee range. Since P99 doesn't have the Prox aggro changes that came later that is.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They will just coth 2 people to each spot that can DA without clickies. This isn't rocket science and takes 10 minutes of thinking to figure out.

Yeah, but I mean not only the DA clickies, but all of them. All the cheese tactics that rely on clickies should be gutted. The complete heal clickies, slow clickies, etc.

I think it's great they are actually altering how raiding is by trying to change mechanics in the game.

They also are doing one change at a time which in my mind means they are trying not to throw too much in just to be sure they don't overdo anything.

I suspect bind points will be removed from NTOV, and that will not be the end of it either.