Building a PC...maybe

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grimjaw, how did you do your airflow / fan direction setup?

Is it:

> Case > Radiator > Fan >
or
< Case < Radiator < Fan <

ummm not sure if i follow but for the 2 rads it would be:
< Case < Radiator < Fan
the fans are mounted to push air thru the rad and out of the case.
i know they recommend doing intake on rads for "fresh air" but so far its working great
here's how i understand it:

intake: 2x 140 fan (front), and PSU fan (bottom)
exhaust: 280 rad (top), 120 rad (back)

edit - forgot about the interesting 40mm intake on the rear IO shield. Something ASUS makes optional on some mobo, so i got that Noctua 40mm just to fill the hole.

[Metalopolis]

You wanna aim for a positive pressure environment inside your case so dust isn't getting perpetually drawn in through the little crevices on the case. I'd try dual intake front, dual intake rad. and a single exhaust on the rear

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wanna aim for a positive pressure environment inside your case so dust isn't getting perpetually drawn in through the little crevices on the case. I'd try dual intake front, dual intake rad. and a single exhaust on the rear

hmm good point there. I already tried diving into that debate (positive vs negative pressure) and it sounded more like a personal preference thing, so i just said whatever to that. Maybe i'll look into that some more.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

jesus that's hideous

https://www.amazon.com/Nzxt-Digital-...ywords=grid%2B

Besides aesthetics, you see anything else wrong with the controller I posted? I like the one you linked, except it's software controlled right? I don't want to have to be tabbing out of shit to tinker with the software to adjust my fan-speeds.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, to give my 2c on some of the topics brought up in this thread...

I jumped on the order for my CPU because those high bins sell out fast. I'm going to go complete max power for this build. However, I'm not necessarily in a rush, so I'm going to wait until the newer Z270 motherboards are in stock. Will probably grab a new ASUS. If you're getting a 7700k, you might want to grab a Z270. While the Z170's will support it with a bios update, the 270's are built for it, and I've actually been reading about some issues with incorrect voltages being sent to the CPU as well as problems with locked multipliers on the older 170's with Kaby Lake.

And regarding which actual CPU to get.. if you're gaming, stick with the 7700k. It's the highest stock IPC of any i7 released, and so far the overclocking looks promising. IPC is king for gaming. No game can even utilize more than 4 cores right now anyways.

I'm definitely going with the 7700k. I could get one of the monster CPU's like the Extreme, but I don't do anything on my PC that would probably ever warrant the benefit of additional cores.

Also, I was talking to a friend about the Z270's and I think you're right about that. I'd rather have a board that natively supports it than have to update the Z170.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Video cards are another thing to maybe wait for. Many were expecting 1080 Ti and/or Vega to be announced at CES.. but neither were, which is quite surprising. However, both of these should come out within a month or two. Regarding SLI, I did it with my current build (two 680's), and I'll never do it again. It's not worth it.

I'm surprised that the TI wasn't announced at CES - I'm assuming Nvidia is waiting to see what AMD does? I'm tempted to hold out for a TI, if nothing else, to at least see what they're price point is going to be. I'm expecting to see the card start around $800. I was trying to go for the liquid cooled, which I imagine will fetch an even higher premium that the base TI. [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hard Drive.. Get an M.2 NVME. I'm eyeing the Samsung 960 Pro.

Is the 960 pro really that much faster than the base for the extra cash?

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You all need an Antec P280 in your lives. I don't even want to split hairs over other recommendations here, because I can't stress enough how much better the Antec P280 is than any other case... ever.

I like this - only concern is people say i'd need to replace that back fan with a Noctua, which isn't really a problem. Also, I don't really want a case that looks space age - windows and glowing LEDs 'n' shit, so this looks good. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also don't think the next processors from Intel (which should be the new 10nm architecture) will come close to the same overclocking potential until the tock refinement, which is 2 years away. The reduction in die size will cause a lot of heat issues that need to be worked out.

My buddy works at Intel and basically confirmed this line of thought.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The place I ordered the processor from does it for me. They test hundreds of 7700k's and pick out the ones that are able to overclock the highest, and sell them for a premium (Binned chips). That's why you see in my order picture above the one I got is rated at 5.2 GHZ, which is what it was able to handle while staying under 80 degrees C. They then Delid it (An extra cost) and ship it.

Won't Delidding and OCing the chip to that extreme require a lot more voltage through the PC and reduce the lifespan of the chip?

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If nothing else they will be introducing competition back to the market and so, even if you're not interested in building an AMD rig, it should at least push the prices down on Intel's CPUs.

Totally valid and a good thought, but I get any Intel processor 50% off retail value, so unless AMDs new line pushes intel prices down 50%, I think I'm still coming out on top here.

Originally Posted by Grimjaw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heard great things about the new G3 PSUs so had to go with that.

I was thinking of going with the G3 PSU since I made my OP. It's definitely more expensive than I was planning, but people rave about it. It's whisper silent, modular, and has the best warranty on the market.

Also, I see in the picture that you went with a liquid cooled GFX card? What are your temps at max performance and over how much time? Did you replace the stock fan on the radiator on this?

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The place I ordered the processor from does it for me. They test hundreds of 7700k's and pick out the ones that are able to overclock the highest, and sell them for a premium (Binned chips). That's why you see in my order picture above the one I got is rated at 5.2 GHZ, which is what it was able to handle while staying under 80 degrees C. They then Delid it (An extra cost) and ship it.

Delidding is basically just scraping the glue and shit between the chip and the top lid off, right? Do they ship it back to you with the top placed back on or without it? If so, do you just mount the CPU fan to the chip like you normally would?

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this - only concern is people say i'd need to replace that back fan with a Noctua, which isn't really a problem. Also, I don't really want a case that looks space age - windows and glowing LEDs 'n' shit, so this looks good. Thanks.

You'll hear that everywhere. I think the problem is that sometimes people get a noisy fan and instead of going thru warranty replacement they just go out and replace it themselves with a noctua.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking of going with the G3 PSU since I made my OP. It's definitely more expensive than I was planning, but people rave about it. It's whisper silent, modular, and has the best warranty on the market.

And although the 1000w is overkill for almost everything, it's the smallest standard 1000w PSU on the market. Others are a few inches longer. Not much of a problem for the 750D, however it would be blocking the first cable management grommet.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, I see in the picture that you went with a liquid cooled GFX card? What are your temps at max performance and over how much time? Did you replace the stock fan on the radiator on this?

Haven't had time to do much benchmarking under load yet. Kind of have my sights set on a 4k monitor before i get some of these newer, more demanding games.

So far under idle or small loads, temps have been amazing. my CPU is usually running below room temp (on quiet mode, not even performance mode) and GPU not far off.

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[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Won't Delidding and OCing the chip to that extreme require a lot more voltage through the PC and reduce the lifespan of the chip?

I've overclocked every chip I've owned and none have died on me. However, I've had one or two not keep the same clock and temperatures for their life, and I've had to reduce an overclock by 100-200 mhz down the road.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Delidding is basically just scraping the glue and shit between the chip and the top lid off, right? Do they ship it back to you with the top placed back on or without it? If so, do you just mount the CPU fan to the chip like you normally would?

Yes, it's removing the soldering and re-applying / fixing the gaps. Intel does a pretty bad job of sealing the TIM, and it actually doesn't even fully contact the chip sometimes. This guy will delid, fill in the gaps, and reseal it much tighter. He's seeing crazy reductions in temperatures on Kaby Lake doing this, a MINIMUM of 15c lower, some 20-25c lower.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it's removing the soldering and re-applying / fixing the gaps. Intel does a pretty bad job of sealing the TIM, and it actually doesn't even fully contact the chip sometimes. This guy will delid, fill in the gaps, and reseal it much tighter. He's seeing crazy reductions in temperatures on Kaby Lake doing this, a MINIMUM of 15c lower, some 20-25c lower.

That's an insane reduction - Intel just lost a customer.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've overclocked every chip I've owned and none have died on me. However, I've had one or two not keep the same clock and temperatures for their life, and I've had to reduce an overclock by 100-200 mhz down the road.

What would you say is a safe OC amount without delidding - 10%?
Consider cooling isn't a real issue.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides aesthetics, you see anything else wrong with the controller I posted? I like the one you linked, except it's software controlled right? I don't want to have to be tabbing out of shit to tinker with the software to adjust my fan-speeds.

You'll only tinker once when you're setting up fan profiles based on gpu or cpu temps!

But no I don't see anything wrong with it just make sure you get a case that can support it..

[Scrooge]

When using a PSU at the bottom of a case, do you mount it with the PSU fan facing UP or DOWN?