The legality of vigilantism is fundamentally flawed

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

give me a good reason why we shouldn't torture a pedophile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Waste of resources and destroying oneself for vengeance is folly.

Cut the hand of a thief: hey at least after he won't steal again, win win win

They may be more frightened to, but it renders them less capable of caring for themselves and introduces addition al burden on society.

homosexuality is a disease, let's send them to clinics where they'll be sent electroshocks. Even if it doesn't work, at least it will ake them learn

This is just stupid ^^

etc, etc, etc..

What else? ^^

of course "vigilantism" is a politically correct way of advocating lynchings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not advocating vigilantism ^^ I think government should do what I proposed in the interest of the people.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not advocating vigilantism ^^ I think government should do what I proposed in the interest of the people.

wasn't talking about you, sorry if i led you to think that.

See again that kind of debate is sterile, because crime in the US has been steadily going down for decades now. But no, let's keep the business of fear going on, it sells guns and votes. That's fucked up, and it happens in europe too (minus the guns part).

[entruil]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it sells guns and votes.

bullshit , Obama sells guns...

OoOooOohhh... shiny!.....

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, to be fair (fare? Don't feel like googling that) you are the one who suggested executing children for taking gum ^^

From the criminal's perspective though,

Would you rather live your life bearing the shame of your transgressions loudly declared by a maiming that has rendered you dependent on the society you have violated, or would you rather liberate society of your burden?

From society's perspective,

Would you rather subject someone to the forgoing, or rid them of their shame and the free the good peoples of that burden. Why should upstanding individuals be punished for the failures of others?

That's like assuming criminals won't be able to get guns.

[BardPop]

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is absurd. Let's say your cousin kills my brother. In retaliation, I choose you as my fair target for death. Would you die willingly? Would you defend youself? Should you kill me as I am trying to kill you does my family now get to kill two of your family indescriminantly? When does this cycle stop? This is why vigilantism is discouraged and punished. There is no way to determine equitable justice for any party outside of mediation. That is the roll the law plays. The rule of law makes civilized society possible. Meating out justice based on revenge will quickly devolve into anarchy. This is one of the ideals that keeps some third world countries from progressing to become a modern society. It's a backwards and regressive concept that best left to the history books.

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Except for that-ahem-there is no such thing as a modern society. All of the societies are interconnected and the big ones that the rest depend on almost went down in flames several times,-think the bank bailout-, we might have been better if we had stayed a race of goat farmers. Instead we're hyper-industrialized and sucking up the planets oil/gas/coal faster then ever, navigating one disaster after the next, the only thing saving our asses from the burning heat of a complete carbon melt down is the ever increasing technology our scientists keep pulling out from behind the curtain. If not for that we would could have all been dead and gone, the Philippines will keep trucking along and that will be that, being some great "1st world" country isn't really all that much to aspire too, 1st worlders fuck up way more then the 3rd worlders ever could if only because their governments can fuck up more. Hope we'll pull it off but jesus, we've had a pretty rough ride dealing with all these economic, nuclear, and global warming challenges.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's like assuming criminals won't be able to get guns.

Not sure I follow you here :/ Are you suggesting criminals wouldn't willingly choose execution over a lost hand? You are probably right for most, but that is because they are depraved. I am simply laying the case that capital punishment is infinitely superior and in no way analogous (finally learned how to fucking spell that!) to the backwards barbarism of Sharia law.

Killing criminals is the rational thing to do
It is the just thing to do
It is the compassionate thing to do

How can it not be the right thing to do?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure I follow you here :/ Are you suggesting criminals wouldn't willingly choose execution over a lost hand? You are probably right for most, but that is because they are depraved. I am simply laying the case that capital punishment is infinitely superior and in no way analogous (finally learned how to fucking spell that!) to the backwards barbarism of Sharia law.

Killing criminals is the rational thing to do
It is the just thing to do
It is the compassionate thing to do

How can it not be the right thing to do?

No need for us to become barbarians and start maiming people. All we need is some prison reform. Watched a doc on Japanese prisons recently. They are kept segregated and forced to work. There is no ability to create gangs within the prison and they learn a skill and work off their debt. As it is now for the degenerates who are criminals jail becomes second nature where they know they will get 3 squares and TV with their pals and in some cases more drugs than on the street.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need for us to become barbarians and start maiming people. All we need is some prison reform. Watched a doc on Japanese prisons recently. They are kept segregated and forced to work. There is no ability to create gangs within the prison and they learn a skill and work off their debt. As it is now for the degenerates who are criminals jail becomes second nature where they know they will get 3 squares and TV with their pals and in some cases more drugs than on the street.

Glad to see more recognition of Japanese prisons. Japan does prisons (like many other things) right ^^ They focus on rehabilitation by teaching discipline. Inmates are not allowed to share food or even speak during meals to minimize conflict. That aside though, I'm not advocating maiming people in case that wasn't clear. It is inefficient and morally repugnant.

[Baler]

How do you know she is a witch?
She looks like one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

[myriverse]

Individuals are far too ignorant to carry out their individual concept of justice. Too much of it just leads to anarchy, which is the ultimate tyranny.