Porting is a privilege, not a right...

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

50pp is an extraordinary amount of money to pay for a port and I think you are foolish if you pay this much.

If I am on my necro I will twitch you to full mana, if I am on my bard I will sing for you, if I am on my monk...well you get 15pp and can thank me for my hundreds of hours of community service as designated pull slave.

People see porting as an easy way to accumulate wealth... they are not doing it for the good of the community, they are prostituting themselves out to the highest bidders in order to get rich while doing nothing/very little.

Im sure Tupakk is going to chime in - let me ask you this - how much money have you made porting in a day? I know people who say they have made 5k porting for an afternoon, so please stop the QQ session.

Maybe it's a good way to accumulate plat, but I'll be honest I don't really advertise ports on my wizard, so I have limited experience in this area.

I used to drop what I was doing to help out with random port requests, but now I tend to just explain I am busy as it isn't worth the bother.

Last rez I paid was 200pp and then gave another 150pp for help getting to WL and CSkeyed. Any other money I've got will probably to buy a rotting infestation if I can find it... after that I'll probably just be back to stockpiling tink bags for my various characters.

[zillabunny]

time is money

[Trungep99]

Originally Posted by pathius41 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's just mana right? so 60p is greedy, Well a fungi tunic is just time and mana as well right? so 45kp is some serious greed, maybe you should sell me yours for like I dunno 5k?

The clear difference is a fungi is worth 45 k . Takes a lot more than just clicking one button then sitting. Zero risk in that. And you can port a group at a time . In no way should porting be worth 60 plat. It's not me being cheap, it is just not worth so much plat to essentially cast one spell for another players benefit. It's like charging 60 plat for C2. It isn't worth it. Sure they deserve a tip , but not 60 plat.

Now let me be clear, the value of the top goes up with the effort the porter makes to help the traveler, if the porter travels to pick someone up then that is worth more than sitting their lazy but around waiting in EC for someone to ask to go to CS. If they port over to pick you up and then transport you elsewhere it is worth more than being lazy. So there is no entitlement to the amount you earn, you gotto go earn it based on your effort.

[Loke]

Man, bunch of cheapskates ITT. I tip at minimum 50pp for a port, and 100pp for a rez, but usually more. If you consider the opportunity cost, 50pp for a port that saves you a 30 min run, or a 100pp for a rez that saves you hours of lost exp is almost insulting. I mean, people pay 1-2k for a chardok AoE pull, and there is no way a pull in chardok gives 10-20x more exp than a rez.

Tip well and you'll have a lot easier time finding ports and rezzes. It isn't about reimbursing their cost for performing the service, its about showing appreciation for the time that service saved you.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't about reimbursing their cost for performing the service, its about showing appreciation for the time that service saved you.

That's how I view it too, tbh.

It's not about how hard it is, or how long it takes for them to get mana, they are spending their ingame time dedicating it to run people around for money.

How is that any worse than someone dedicating their ingame time to camping mobs for money? Or crafting cultural armors or alchemy potions?

If anything, this service is more helpful for others and I am pretty sure many people are very thankful it exists.

Porting people for money is simply another way to make cash.

If anyone thinks it's less of a service or an unworthy way to make money, I find it hard to understand that logic.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People see porting as an easy way to accumulate wealth... they are not doing it for the good of the community, they are prostituting themselves out to the highest bidders in order to get rich while doing nothing/very little.

Im sure Tupakk is going to chime in - let me ask you this - how much money have you made porting in a day? I know people who say they have made 5k porting for an afternoon, so please stop the QQ session.

LOL what makes you think porters are porting "for the good of the community?" We're porting to make money. It takes time to port people and my time is valuable to me. No shame in my game. I love to help the community and routinely help organize events to do so, but porting characters level 50+ for peanuts isnt how I do it.

And I have never made anywhere close to 5k in an afternoon, whoever told you that got a 4500 tip from someone and 500 from the rest of the customers combined

You're like a person who goes into a restaurant and tips $1 for a meal and acts like they are doing the server a favor, when in actuality you're taking advantage of the rest of society keeping the waitress in business.

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tip 15pp to almost everyone I feel thats more than fair. On occasion a lucky porter might get a ruby or other gem, but 15pp is the price otherwise. Price goes up for certain things like traveling multiple zones ect, but I don't see greedy Druids/Wizards offering me discounted rates for having to pull for hours on end in every XP group.

But I forgot the DaP narrative that only Druids/wizards time is important... Maybe I should unionize the monks and we start charging an hourly rate for pulls.

#GetOverYourSelves

This is a stupid example and someone who has been on the server as long as you should know better.

Nobody expects a druid or wiz to charge for an evac when they are grouped with someone. Nobody expects a cleric to charge a group member for a rez when they die And nobody expects a monk to charge for pulls. Those things are part of being in an exp group. When you hire a port, you're hiring a service from someone who has no obligation to give it to you and is not benefiting in any way other than making the money. 15pp from a person with multiple level 55+ characters is a criminally low amount of pp, its flat out not worth my time.

[Jimjam]

so new policy; take tips up front, if it isn't enough send em to tox forest (or equally out of the way, but ultimately painless place) and ask for tip again until sufficient plat is received for their real destination? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Expediency

Nobody expects a druid or wiz to charge for an evac when they are grouped with someone.

Nice strawman. We all know that outside of chardok and EC nobody groups with wizards or Druids. Let's not add insult to injury by patronizing them.

[korilla]

if i am waiting for you at druid rings and all you have to do is port in, port out and sow me, is 30pp considered cheap if i'm a level 60? that's pretty much my standard. i will always tip 50-150p if i'm making a druid run outside druid rings, else i think 30pp is fair.

[Muggens]

After reading this thread I wont ever forget to tip for my TLs again