smoking age is 21 now in California

[JurisDictum]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Difference between a student and adult living with Mom and Dad. Course , you can sit there and draw up those beliefs based on a horrible health care notion.

Hey i didn't write the law and legally force young, healthy college students who live with their parents still, to purchase or obtain health insurance. Blame Obama for the pajama boys.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

When I was a child people told me drinking coffee would stunt my growth.
I'm 6' 3" and drink coffee to this day.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

Reverting back to 18 is considered an adult in the United states, by the law. We can state the obvious with psychology and human anatomy all day. It still doesn't justify more laws going into effect without considering the main law of a minors age and an adults. The fact remains : more laws, more government intrusion in our lives. I prefer less government involvement in most things. The government as it stands is out of control- via the states and fed.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Currently California is considering making it a law to have your children weighed and analyzed annually. This way the government can tell you what to feed your children and penalize those who don't conform to their standards. Is this what America really wants? Do we really need a government dictating what we can and can't do? It's coming folks, and with every little law such as this one... Your freedom is really lessening with every stroke of a pen.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reverting back to 18 is considered an adult in the United states, by the law. We can state the obvious with psychology and human anatomy all day. It still doesn't justify more laws going into effect without considering the main law of a minors age and an adults. The fact remains : more laws, more government intrusion in our lives. I prefer less government involvement in most things. The government as it stands is out of control- via the states and fed.

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I believe it's a parents job and role to educate and influence their kids. Not the governments with means to control. Children are a reflection of their parents. You can also debate whether or not choosing to smoke at a younger age has more positive benefits than choosing so at 21 , because of the experience you will face. Addiction is addiction, and what's stopping kids from being addicted to substances? It's not the government I can tell you that.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

Again I see your point , but it has no bearing on this law. You are claiming because the brain isn't fully developed we should indite a law disabling a choice all together. Well shit we might as well disable all choices , because of this right? Stupid point in reference to what is being said here. That's like me using your example and banning sex until age 21... because of the decision making process... See where I am going here?

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

Historically people had to survive on their own at 18 or younger and the species survived. Not sure why modern people can't be expected to sink or swim and learn to survive in this world by living the hard experience of figuring it out for themselves. Not saying anything about hunting and gathering or some shit, but experience and struggle are great teachers and developers of character. Coddling, not so much.

Not related to smoking age, but just putting it out there.

[barrettdc1]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

Funny, cause I've met more fucking moron 30+ year olds in my life than 18 year olds. Must just be cause I live in Florida though, the state of dumb-shits.