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Information was source and the information was factual. Even if you stamp your feet really loud!.

Who said the Parties has a magic flip? It was a political realignment that happened over several decades.

1896: William Jennings Bryan integrated the Populist party into the democratic party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People...United_States)
The populist party was left-wing so the Democratic party which was then very right-wing picked up some lefties.

1912: Teddy Roosevelt lost the nomination of the Republican Party which was more left-wing (and mostly a reintegration of the old Whig party) at the time so he ran for president under the Progressive Party. Which weakens the loyalty of liberal republicans to their party.

1932: FDR runs as a democrat after adopting most of the Progressive party's platform.
Southern whites have supported the democratic party since the Civil War.

1964: LBJ Incorporates civil rights as a democratic party platform. Effectively switching the southern white vote in the future to the Republican party. You'll notice people likw George Wallace a long time segregationist running as an independent in '68. Then renouncing segregation to rejoin the democratic part later on. Many liberal politicians also switched from the Republican tickets to the democratic ticket in future elections.

Republicans used to be about big government, government responsibility to social programs etc. Democrats were conservatives, states rights, limited government.

There were still liberals identifying as repubs and conservatives identifying as democrats but they were minorities...until around 2000.

Ideology switched.


Sources for you Santa even though I know you won't read them. It's easier to just deny right?

Byron E. Shafer and Richard Johnston, The End of Southern Exceptionalism: Class, Race, and Partisan Change in the Postwar South (2009) p 173-4

K.C. MacKay, The Progressive Movement of 1924. New York: Columbia University Press, 1947.

Hart, Jeffrey (2006-02-09). The Making of the American Conservative Mind (television). Hanover, New Hampshire: C-SPAN.

Roger Chapman, Culture Wars: An Encyclopedia (2010) vol 1 Page 136

Alabama Governor George Wallace, gubernatorial history". Archives.state.al.us.

Carter, Dan T. (1995). The Politics of Rage: George Wallace, the Origins of the New Conservatism, and the Transformation of American Politics. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 468.

McMillan, Joseph (October 1, 2010), Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 26th and 32nd Presidents of the United States, American Heraldry Society
Jump up ^ Morris 1979, p. 3.

Hart, Albert B.; Ferleger, Herbert R (1989). "Theodore Roosevelt Cyclopedia" (CD-ROM). Theodore Roosevelt Association. pp. 534–35.

https://books.google.com/books?id=bJ...page&q&f=false


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ty_Act_of_1965
Good post. Lots of new information for me and I'll take your word on all of it.

That said, I do not think the conclusion that "ideologies switched" is necessarily accurate. While some or even most components may have swapped, the openly racist platform of past Democratic Party was not adopted by the Republican Party. The southern democrat voter shift can most reasonably be explained as a product of contempt for the passage of the civil rights act, inaccurately credited to the Democratic Party.
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Good post. Lots of new information for me and I'll take your word on all of it.

That said, I do not think the conclusion that "ideologies switched" is necessarily accurate. While some or even most components may have swapped, the openly racist platform of past Democratic Party was not adopted by the Republican Party. The southern democrat voter shift can most reasonably be explained as a product of contempt for the passage of the civil rights act, inaccurately credited to the Democratic Party.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

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What are you pointing out? That not only 3x as many democrats opposed the bill as republicans, but also that they opposed it by a much larger percentage than republicans?
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The topic is prominent leader of racist terrorist organization tied to democrat party in the current year also first black convicted of lynching.

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What are you pointing out? That not only 3x as many democrats opposed the bill as republicans, but also that they opposed it by a much larger percentage than republicans?
look in the yeas column

which number is bigger?
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look in the yeas column

which number is bigger?
You do realize each party doesn't get an equal number of seats correct?
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look in the yeas column

which number is bigger?
You don't look at unit prices when you shop for groceries, do you?
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You do realize each party doesn't get an equal number of seats correct?
yes. are you saying sanders or lieberman were solely responsible for the passage of any legislation they voted in favor of, when they were independents?

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