So what happened in luclin-pop?

[renordw]

Originally Posted by snead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how much interaction do you have with your taxi drivers(porters)? i'm just using their service to get some place and pay them. The most interaction i have is telling them where I am going and giving them my money. if i could instantly teleport to work i think i'd be a lot more happy than a one hour commute.

I'm getting so sick of this argument. Druids and wizards give up a LOT on utility spells to be able to port. I quit my Wizard when POK came out, because I could teleport around the same fucking way on my Enchanter, who has dozens of more useful utility spells.

[Daldaen]

PoP was great for wizards.

Spell Casting Fury / Mastery Fury / Fury of Magic (20% Critical Blast)
Spell Casting Mastery (10% Mana Preservation)
Strike of Solusek
15 Worn FT Stacking + 3 Mental Clarity
Harvest of Druzzil (450 mana every 6?min)
Allegiance Familiar (8 FT, 30 sv all, 300 mana poop increase, see invis, less fizzles)
Return of 60+ mobs that don't summon for quadding possibilities!

PoP was right when things started getting incredible for Wizards!

[Tewaz]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PoP was great for wizards.

Spell Casting Fury / Mastery Fury / Fury of Magic (20% Critical Blast)
Spell Casting Mastery (10% Mana Preservation)
Strike of Solusek
15 Worn FT Stacking + 3 Mental Clarity
Harvest of Druzzil (450 mana every 6?min)
Allegiance Familiar (8 FT, 30 sv all, 300 mana poop increase, see invis, less fizzles)
Return of 60+ mobs that don't summon for quadding possibilities!

PoP was right when things started getting incredible for Wizards!

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[Psionide]

Anyone comparing POK books to druids and wizards is a fucking moron that needs to go play a different game. Yeah, lets take away one of the only completely player run aspects of the game. Fucking brilliant.

[Zorlon]

The increase from level 60 to 65 in PoP also required quite a bit of mudflation to the gear which ultimately made all other previous content in the game irrelevant. There was no longer any need or desire to back raid previous expansions.

In Luclin there was still a reason to go kill AoW or Vulak for example. Hell, there was even a little bit of a reason to maybe go back and knock Phara Dar on the head once in a while. A reasonable number of AA's kept people interested and playing and invested in their characters. Travel didn't instantly become trivial although the Nexus spires were a big thing. Moving people from EC to the Bazaar wasn't a bad thing but I will concede that allowing for AFK trader mode did take away a lot of social interaction so I wasn't always a fan of that feature.

tldr; A Luclin-locked server would be a really great server. PoP locked server is bad, in my opinion. I don't even know if this is relevant to the topic, I didn't read all 6 pages [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by renordw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm getting so sick of this argument. Druids and wizards give up a LOT on utility spells to be able to port. I quit my Wizard when POK came out, because I could teleport around the same fucking way on my Enchanter, who has dozens of more useful utility spells.

Uh... Druids are 100% utility. Wizards are a specialist class, with porting to give them some utility. I'm not seeing where they gave up "a LOT" for ports. All I'm seeing is that you gave up a damage specialist for a different kind of specialist b/c you were upset about ports not being your defining class feature.

[fadetree]

Pop greatest expansion ever.
What happened in luclin? Rangers. Plus six glorious hours after a patch when they broke archery delay.

[Tuurin]

Originally Posted by Psionide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone comparing POK books to druids and wizards is a fucking moron that needs to go play a different game. Yeah, lets take away one of the only completely player run aspects of the game. Fucking brilliant.

This guy so eloquently illustrates the real reason why people don't like POK books. It has nothing to do with the thrill of adventure that you get from staring at a dock for 20 minutes, then at the deck of a boat for another 30 minutes.

The reason there's so much vitriol about POK books is because the porting classes want to keep charging a tax on travel, and people are willing to pay it since the other option is mind-numbing boredom and a waste of RL time.

[NarcolepticLTD]

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy so eloquently illustrates the real reason why people don't like POK books. It has nothing to do with the thrill of adventure that you get from staring at a dock for 20 minutes, then at the deck of a boat for another 30 minutes.

The reason there's so much vitriol about POK books is because the porting classes want to keep charging a tax on travel, and people are willing to pay it since the other option is mind-numbing boredom and a waste of RL time.

From someone who never paid for a port on live (I ran everywhere and took the boat before SoL spires were added when needing to swap continents), the PoK books absolutely destroyed the immersion of old world. It just became a completely different game.

P99 is a lot different from classic live since it was stuck in kunark for years, with a server population heavily weighted to max level with plat bleeding out of it's eyeballs. Everyone has a hammer, wants the illusion that they're playing classic EQ, but want their instant travel and will throw that plat at the first druid that responds to them when they /ooc for a ride to WC/WL/CS/ETC, while running to SF ramp from the outpost.

I agree that boats are shit though. Spires got rid of the need to use the boats unless you specifically needed to do something in TD/OOT, or weren't high enough level to safely navigate your way from say, Cabilis > DL and make it across the zone, through the tunnel to the spires.

EDIT: Also, evacs to EJ from HS/Droga are another example... people pay 100-200+ plat for this... but the time it takes for you to find a druid who's high enough level (and willing to take the risks), run to said dungeon and then cast the port... you'd already be in FoB about to zone EJ. It takes all of 5 minutes with a sow and a lev from the outpost to EJ on foot.

[Psionide]

While we're at it lets have sow bots and rez bots. Maybe we can just go all the way and just implement mercs because whats the difference? Honestly, why should we be expected to interact with other people in a MMO?!?!?!?!