Bernie Sanders at his best

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If "government" were involved in reforming healthcare, we wouldn't have gotten the abomination that is Obamacare. The reform was created by insurance companies and other entities who have a stake in the broken state of healthcare. The politicians, who are bought and paid for by the corporations and their lobbyists, were just an intermediary. And of course people like you blame the "government". We should just let the corporations handle it, am I right? Because that's been working so well for us so far.

Corporations haven't been handling it all. The Government has its hand in everything.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people who groom my dog are an elderly couple. They run a small POS establishment, but they are good at what they do and nice as fuck. They have a crew of high school kids that play with all of the dogs in the back.

Do you think CostCo has the same overhead as Groomies? One size fit all doesn't work. If it does, why don't we just raise the federal minimum wage to $100 an hour. The numbers obviously don't matter. In addition, let's just ignore that Texas has a GDP per capita that is less than California or Maryland. Let's just let the federal government, made up of clearly competent people like Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz, step on the states and municipalities and manage microeconomics.

Walmart and CostCo can be forced into a minimum wage. The vast majority of businesses are small and will actually be hurt by these policies. If you want to help Wall Street to the detriment of Main Street, it's a great policy.

The mandated minimum income is a much better idea. Era'viss I think mentioned it. If y'all feel so compelled to guarantee people a minimum standard of living, then do it on the backs of banks and massive multinationals that don't really help the average American. I really don't see how fucking over the people who groom my dog and pay the high school kids who work there for $7.25 an hour accomplishes anything. Most of the kids out here are wealthy anyway. They want the job for spending money and it looks like the easiest thing in the world.

Oh. And finally, if you raise the minimum wage massively, you're going to see increased automation. I know you're smart enough to see that. Hell, no matter what the minimum wage is in the future, that will continue to happen. The minimum income replacing welfare / food stamps is better for this as well.

I took issue with your broad contention that "minimum wage increases don't work", and you reasoning you provided, that it just results in firings. That is a falsehood. I didn't say a blanket federally mandated minimum wage is the answer, I think the solution needs to be more complex than that, and basic income is one idea.

Again, if your business model relies on the exploitation of labor, your business should not exist in the form it does. Paying high school kids spending money is one thing, and that's clearly not what I'm talking about, and there are good ways to differentiate between that and actual subsistence labor in terms of regulations. For every elderly white dog groomer out there paying some good old wholesome white boys $7.25 an hour to play with dogs, there's a motel paying some middle aged Mexican $7.25 an hour to clean up sploogy bedding, or a Starbucks paying a struggling 20-something $7.25 an hour to make coffee. You could make the same argument for all those examples. "b-b-b-b-but I need to exploit cheap labor to get by." No, you don't.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by B4EQWASCOOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Corporations haven't been handling it all. The Government has its hand in everything.

The government answers to the corporations. Where have you been the last 20 years?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by B4EQWASCOOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Corporations really fuck you over. Why don't you go through your home and throw away everything that a corporation had a hand in producing.

Because you'd have nothing left.

Kids.

you must be fucking retarded.

OK ILL JUST LIVE LIKE A FUCKING AMISH PERSON

jesus if you love Comcast so much, why dont you go fuck yourself.

Also I love how yuo think me saying corporations will fuck you over means that I think the government should make iphones and TV's and playstations. Jesus fucking Christ, Its amazing how stupid people can be.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The government answers to the corporations. Where have you been the last 20 years?

So the government are just poor victims in this fantasy land, completely devoid of any of the responsibility for the situation?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the government are just poor victims in this fantasy land, completely devoid of any of the responsibility for the situation?

no the republican elected goverment leaders are corrupt and accept bribes and pass legislation that helps the corperations by slashing laws that were created to protect us from large buisness.

if you live in america but somehow LOVE monopolies than you are part of the problem.

That fucking board game warped the minds of all my generation I guess.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the government are just poor victims in this fantasy land, completely devoid of any of the responsibility for the situation?

Nope, the ultimate responsibility lies with the electorate for failing to remain informed and exercise enough critical thinking to pick representatives that represent their interests.

He blamed the government for Obamacare. Yes, technically, the government created the law. The government is complicit. But corruption and corporate lobbying were ultimately responsible for making it the way it was. People wanted healthcare reform, and what they got was something that looked like meaningful reform on the surface, but was actually just another way for the elite to loot the country. So when you say Obamacare is terrible because the government is awful and governments in general suck at everything they do, I don't think you're capturing the reality of the situation.

If we enacted a single-payer system and cut the insurance companies out, and it was still a boondoggle, then I'd be more open to blaming the government itself for being incompetent.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or how about that im a democratic socialist, not a democrat.

Isnt that exactly what bernie sanders called himself in the last debate?

That was right before he said global warming was the biggest threat to national security.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isnt that exactly what bernie sanders called himself in the last debate?

That was right before he said global warming was the biggest threat to national security.

https://youtu.be/DNb4VKln1uw?t=4

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no the republican elected goverment leaders are corrupt and accept bribes and pass legislation that helps the corperations by slashing laws that were created to protect us from large buisness.

if you live in america but somehow LOVE monopolies than you are part of the problem.

That fucking board game warped the minds of all my generation I guess.

The Government creates and maintains monopolies.