Play Nice Policy Doesnt Apply to Bards Making Money

[simp403]

Unfortunately it seems like there's a 2:1 ratio of bad bards to good bards. Martygan has always been cool when I ran into him, as have most of the higher level bards. It seems like it's the lower level bards that tend to be bigger assholes. They also tend to be the ones to stop playing their bard when the swarm kiting stops being as viable an option at higher levels.

[sambal]

Yeah I logged in for about twenty minutes, and I quit again. For good this time. Bards, for me, are the deal breaker on this server. I've said it before, but I don't think bard kiting is "Classic(TM)" because of internet connectivity constraints that existed in that era. I saw bards attempt it back then, and they'd get a lagspike and drop dead. Also, graphics cards posed a certain kind of constraint as well, if they actually saw all the mobs chasing them, they'd lag out graphically and die.

[Ahtex]

Originally Posted by Aburamushi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

charm it, cast sow on it. log off...

This isn't actually very effective, as a bard when people charm stuff I'm pulling I then have to kite the sowed mob charming it and sending it into the pack to die. Just means it takes me longer to kill my mobs, and therefore people that might be hunting the same mobs I'm pulling have their mobs tied up longer.

[Champion_Standing]

All the bards swarming make me laugh, as if bards can't lvl faster than any class already...what a waste of double exp. Grouping as a ranger all weekend would have been a better use of it.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Ahtex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't actually very effective, as a bard when people charm stuff I'm pulling I then have to kite the sowed mob charming it and sending it into the pack to die. Just means it takes me longer to kill my mobs, and therefore people that might be hunting the same mobs I'm pulling have their mobs tied up longer.

Also, bards can negate sow using one of their songs. Its how to pull casters / friendlies of casters that get sow while roaming for PLing.

Edit: I think its rediculous the amount of hate bards get just for being a bard. I take strides to ensure that I go around groups and avoid areas and to make sure im not disrupting play and I still am met with hate on both the forums and in game. Its crazy because THATS the thanks i get for trying to help people and not be like the idiots that play bards for a power trip.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, bards can negate sow using one of their songs. Its how to pull casters / friendlies of casters that get sow while roaming for PLing.

Edit: I think its rediculous the amount of hate bards get just for being a bard. I take strides to ensure that I go around groups and avoid areas and to make sure im not disrupting play and I still am met with hate on both the forums and in game. Its crazy because THATS the thanks i get for trying to help people and not be like the idiots that play bards for a power trip.

Yeah....but no. If you are making people mad in game while swarming, you are either taking their mobs or training them. People don't just do a /who and start complaining about bards for no reason.

On top of that you are lvl 60, the only reason you would swarm anything is to sell PLs. Whats worse than a bard stealing all your mobs? A bard stealing all your mobs so he can sell a PL.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah....but no. If you are making people mad in game while swarming, you are either taking their mobs or training them. People don't just do a /who and start complaining about bards for no reason.

On top of that you are lvl 60, the only reason you would swarm anything is to sell PLs. Whats worse than a bard stealing all your mobs? A bard stealing all your mobs so he can sell a PL.

So your saying if there is 1 person in the zone i cannot sell a PL to a player willing to buy one? I dont go around taking mobs like most other bards i literally send out an OOC notifying the entire zone that i am powerleveling and they should call out their camps AND/OR send me a tell letting me know where they are so i can leave mobs for them. THIS is why i hate being a bard sometimes, you assume since i am 60 and that i PL i steal mobs from people who already have a claim in the zone or will want a claim in the future. I let people take off my swarms, i let people level in the areas im swarming in because guess what? I dont take every single mob in the area because im not a greedy person and the XP is minimal compared to what im pulling.

You obviously havent played a bard, people do /who bard and send you hate tells just for being in the zone because they assume your swarming if their mobs are not up.

Edit: btw your use of the word "stealing" is being misused in your post. If a mob is not part of a camp, in an outdoor zone, and wandering it cannot be claimed by any player. It is up to both parties (assuming there is more than 1 which most of the time theres not) to work out an arrangement. Any GM can tell you that communicating with players is key to avoiding conflicts and its encouraged. I do not steal mobs and people like you should stop treating every bard on the server like they are trash and should play a different class that they would rather not want to play.

This thread needs to be moved to RnF because its just here to piss people off at this point.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your saying if there is 1 person in the zone i cannot sell a PL to a player willing to buy one? I dont go around taking mobs like most other bards i literally send out an OOC notifying the entire zone that i am powerleveling and they should call out their camps AND/OR send me a tell letting me know where they are so i can leave mobs for them. THIS is why i hate being a bard sometimes, you assume since i am 60 and that i PL i steal mobs from people who already have a claim in the zone or will want a claim in the future. I let people take off my swarms, i let people level in the areas im swarming in because guess what? I dont take every single mob in the area because im not a greedy person and the XP is minimal compared to what im pulling.

You obviously havent played a bard, people do /who bard and send you hate tells just for being in the zone because they assume your swarming if their mobs are not up.

Edit: btw your use of the word "stealing" is being misused in your post. If a mob is not part of a camp, in an outdoor zone, and wandering it cannot be claimed by any player. It is up to both parties (assuming there is more than 1 which most of the time theres not) to work out an arrangement. Any GM can tell you that communicating with players is key to avoiding conflicts and its encouraged. I do not steal mobs and people like you should stop treating every bard on the server like they are trash and should play a different class that they would rather not want to play.

This thread needs to be moved to RnF because its just here to piss people off at this point.

Yeah yeah, I'm sure you are just the nicest bard on earth and have never done anything to ever upset anyone.

Fact is 9/10 bards are complete assholes, if you want to understand why people hate bards go hang out in OT for a few nights and watch how most of them act. You should be upset with the other bards that act like dicks...not the people who are sick of getting screwed over by them.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah yeah, I'm sure you are just the nicest bard on earth and have never done anything to ever upset anyone.

Fact is 9/10 bards are complete assholes, if you want to understand why people hate bards go hang out in OT for a few nights and watch how most of them act. You should be upset with the other bards that act like dicks...not the people who are sick of getting screwed over by them.

I would like to think so yes. I have never had a GM called on me by another player except for 1 time that wasnt a bard conflict which happens more than you would think. (Bards but heads all the time for territory disputes). The one time was i admittedly pulled a bit much and left a player (it may have been a grp) without mobs after which i ended my PL session and left because the zone was crowding and it couldnt handle me pulling for much longer.

Fact is 9/10 bards are complete assholes i agree absolutely which is why this thread is so toxic because your insulting 1/10 bards blatantly and publicly. There is a reason why I never have and never will swarm or level any character in OT. I am absolutely upset with the other bards that act this way and I dont think it gives anyone the right even if they are sick of getting screwed over to treat people in a way that is in itself sickening. It is wrong and you yourself are giving the flame fuel for more fire. THIS is what being a toxic community is like and THIS is what the GMs try to avoid but its plastered everywhere because people think its within their right to do so. You think the EQ community is so great? Take a look at this thread and see how your alienating a single class completely because of "what they can do".

In a way its the GM's fault for not keeping tabs on players and keeping a count on how many times GMs are called on them. I for one think bards need to be given a 30 day suspension OR a perma-ban if their daily/weekly petition count reaches a certain level. This is coming from a lvl 60 bard who is sick and tired of being persecuted in the game he loves to play both on the forum in threads like this and in the game itself. Congratulations for being part of the problem.

Edit: I am done with this thread. This is to be moved to RnF because of its Toxicity to the forums. Sorry of the rage posts just tired of these silly people treating others like complete crap. See you all in game!!!

[stavio]

I took the little time I had to play this weekend to skill up my bard, after doing 20+ lvls of swarming from the previous weeks, it was time to catch up all my skills, weapons, defense, etc. and to level up my low lvl necro.

Honestly the double xp weekend seemed to bring the worst out of everyone, it didn't matter what class they was.

Man o man was the trains real this weekend, it got pretty crazy in Guk. Not once but twice I had charmers come up and charm the mob I was fighting after I had already killed 40-60% of their life. Powerleveling druids pulling mobs from you while you're trying to kill them so they can PL there buddy, it really just goes on and on.

Not that I didn't expect this kind of stuff from this bonus weekend, but I seen somethings I've never seen before on the griefing side of this game during this double xp event.

I'm pretty sure I will be sitting the next xp event out, It was very nice of the GM's to do such a nice thing for the server, but sometimes people just can't handle nice things.