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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Government funded space flight too, does that mean the tax payer owes u a shuttle to Mars.

Of course not and that is not at all what I am suggesting. However without government funding space technologies would not be where they are at present because they have historically lacked a clear return on investment. They same is true for certain areas of medical research, but that does not mean government should provide healthcare for individuals. The internet is the national highway system, except more vitally important to society. It is not just the individual who benefits from broad deployment of web resources.

[ronasch]

You people keep telling me because it was government funded everyone should have access, I philosophically disagree. The roads highways bridges in this country are funded by government, some people walk, bike, and or drive these roads, highways, bridges that are government funded so since the walker/bicycler who cannot afford to purchase a car to go as fast as those who can purchase a car be given a car by government because it's "beneficial."
This constant DRONE of how the Internet "benefits society" grows old. Tell that to the millions of people that had there lives destroyed by identity theft, or the little girl who committed suicide because every time she opened her email some asshole kid at school is calling her fat and ugly. A blanket statement of benefits society thus it should be so is tunnel vision, and I'm not saying the Internet doesn't have its positives cause it does. My point is I know it can be done w/o government involvement. Yes might it take longer and require some of the citizenry to get off their asses sure, but in the end you will not only have a better product, but a more accountable company providing you service. Your need to steal the labor (tax) of others to achieve your access to the Internet is fundamentally destructive in and of itself.

[Kevris]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people keep telling me because it was government funded everyone should have access, I philosophically disagree. The roads highways bridges in this country are funded by government, some people walk, bike, and or drive these roads, highways, bridges that are government funded so since the walker/bicycler who cannot afford to purchase a car to go as fast as those who can purchase a car be given a car by government because it's "beneficial."
This constant DRONE of how the Internet "benefits society" grows old. Tell that to the millions of people that had there lives destroyed by identity theft, or the little girl who committed suicide because every time she opened her email some asshole kid at school is calling her fat and ugly. A blanket statement of benefits society thus it should be so is tunnel vision, and I'm not saying the Internet doesn't have its positives cause it does. My point is I know it can be done w/o government involvement. Yes might it take longer and require some of the citizenry to get off their asses sure, but in the end you will not only have a better product, but a more accountable company providing you service. Your need to steal the labor (tax) of others to achieve your access to the Internet is fundamentally destructive in and of itself.

What part of what you just said outlines a clear path to wide-spread broadband access without government intervention?


And as to the benefit of the internet ... let's take the same wrong-headed approach to other utilities: Electricity is a benefit? Tell that to the people who's homes are destroyed by fires caused by downed power lines or any other kind of electrical accident, or the thousands of children killed every year when they stick something into an electrical socket. Water is a benefit? Tell that to the millions of people who's property is destroyed by flooding from broken water pipes every year. Roads are a benefit? Tell that to the millions of people who die in car accidents every year, many of which aren't even in a car. You can do that nonsensical OHH ITS SO BAD stuff with anything.

How can you fail to see that having, literally, THE SUM OF ALL HUMAN KNOWLEDGE available to anyone with an internet connection is a huge benefit to society!?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people keep telling me because it was government funded everyone should have access, I philosophically disagree.

There in lies part of the issue. You keep wanting to talk philosophy, when we are discussing reality.

The roads highways bridges in this country are funded by government, some people walk, bike, and or drive these roads, highways, bridges that are government funded so since the walker/bicycler who cannot afford to purchase a car to go as fast as those who can purchase a car be given a car by government because it's "beneficial."

Everyone has equal access to those roads and has to obey the same rules/laws. Your method of conveyance on those roads may vary depending on how you access them (walk, bike, drive).

No one has argued that the government purchase people bikes or cars. Why you would even make that argument is beyond me.

This constant DRONE of how the Internet "benefits society" grows old. Tell that to the millions of people that had there lives destroyed by identity theft, or the little girl who committed suicide because every time she opened her email some asshole kid at school is calling her fat and ugly. A blanket statement of benefits society thus it should be so is tunnel vision, and I'm not saying the Internet doesn't have its positives cause it does.

What does this have to do with anything?

My point is I know it can be done w/o government involvement. Yes might it take longer and require some of the citizenry to get off their asses sure, but in the end you will not only have a better product, but a more accountable company providing you service.

Could it be done? Yes, it is possible. Is it realistic without government involvement? Not likely.

Are we starting from square one? No. We have to work with the situation as it exists now. Again, reality versus philosophy.

Your need to steal the labor (tax) of others to achieve your access to the Internet is fundamentally destructive in and of itself.

Cruz2016?

[razzulx]

Sadly I think the goverment needs to get involved just like they did for Water / Power.

The internet as it is today is needed for our society to function, I couldn't even deposit money into my bank when their internet was down.

Could you imagine one day the internet companies just being like NOPE...we are going to shut the internet off today to help save $$$...The current world we live in would change drastically.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Kevris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What part of what you just said outlines a clear path to wide-spread broadband access without government intervention?


And as to the benefit of the internet ... let's take the same wrong-headed approach to other utilities: Electricity is a benefit? Tell that to the people who's homes are destroyed by fires caused by downed power lines or any other kind of electrical accident, or the thousands of children killed every year when they stick something into an electrical socket. Water is a benefit? Tell that to the millions of people who's property is destroyed by flooding from broken water pipes every year. Roads are a benefit? Tell that to the millions of people who die in car accidents every year, many of which aren't even in a car. You can do that nonsensical OHH ITS SO BAD stuff with anything.

How can you fail to see that having, literally, THE SUM OF ALL HUMAN KNOWLEDGE available to anyone with an internet connection is a huge benefit to society!?

Never said it wasn't beneficial. I take the same approach with the "Internet" as I do Electricity, water, insert anything u want. If YOU can't afford it, DON'T tax ME to get it. Plain and simple.

Your wants/needs don't outweigh my Liberty. Sorry I don't wanna pay for your electricity, water, telephone, or Internet.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said it wasn't beneficial. I take the same approach with the "Internet" as I do Electricity, water, insert anything u want. If YOU can't afford it, DON'T tax ME to get it. Plain and simple.

Your wants/needs don't outweigh my Liberty. Sorry I don't wanna pay for your electricity, water, telephone, or Internet.

Please explain what any of that has to do with Net Neutrality.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by razzulx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadly I think the goverment needs to get involved just like they did for Water / Power.

The internet as it is today is needed for our society to function, I couldn't even deposit money into my bank when their internet was down.

Could you imagine one day the internet companies just being like NOPE...we are going to shut the internet off today to help save $$$...The current world we live in would change drastically.

My point exactly, we (the citizen) have become sooooooo dependant on the "Internet" that we can't even function in society without it. Talk about a flawed society. To think government involvement makes it better is farcical. They wanna make you even more dependant.

Reality doesn't mean you can't stop the insanity that's going on. The problem is when people aka Americans can't get what they want right this second they run to government to provide it. I don't understand this idea that because something u want is unaffordable you have a Right to Tax, Steal, Plunder others to get it, beneficial to society or not.

[ronasch]

Net neutrality = government involvement

[Kevris]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said it wasn't beneficial. I take the same approach with the "Internet" as I do Electricity, water, insert anything u want. If YOU can't afford it, DON'T tax ME to get it. Plain and simple.

Your wants/needs don't outweigh my Liberty. Sorry I don't wanna pay for your electricity, water, telephone, or Internet.

Ahh, I see now. I'll get my coat. Good luck to you sir!