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[Kevris]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said it wasn't beneficial. I take the same approach with the "Internet" as I do Electricity, water, insert anything u want. If YOU can't afford it, DON'T tax ME to get it. Plain and simple.

Your wants/needs don't outweigh my Liberty. Sorry I don't wanna pay for your electricity, water, telephone, or Internet.

Ahh, I see now. I'll get my coat. Good luck to you sir!

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people keep telling me because it was government funded everyone should have access, I philosophically disagree.

There in lies part of the issue. You keep wanting to talk philosophy, when we are discussing reality.

The roads highways bridges in this country are funded by government, some people walk, bike, and or drive these roads, highways, bridges that are government funded so since the walker/bicycler who cannot afford to purchase a car to go as fast as those who can purchase a car be given a car by government because it's "beneficial."

Everyone has equal access to those roads and has to obey the same rules/laws. Your method of conveyance on those roads may vary depending on how you access them (walk, bike, drive).

No one has argued that the government purchase people bikes or cars. Why you would even make that argument is beyond me.

This constant DRONE of how the Internet "benefits society" grows old. Tell that to the millions of people that had there lives destroyed by identity theft, or the little girl who committed suicide because every time she opened her email some asshole kid at school is calling her fat and ugly. A blanket statement of benefits society thus it should be so is tunnel vision, and I'm not saying the Internet doesn't have its positives cause it does.

What does this have to do with anything?

My point is I know it can be done w/o government involvement. Yes might it take longer and require some of the citizenry to get off their asses sure, but in the end you will not only have a better product, but a more accountable company providing you service.

Could it be done? Yes, it is possible. Is it realistic without government involvement? Not likely.

Are we starting from square one? No. We have to work with the situation as it exists now. Again, reality versus philosophy.

Your need to steal the labor (tax) of others to achieve your access to the Internet is fundamentally destructive in and of itself.

Cruz2016?

[razzulx]

Sadly I think the goverment needs to get involved just like they did for Water / Power.

The internet as it is today is needed for our society to function, I couldn't even deposit money into my bank when their internet was down.

Could you imagine one day the internet companies just being like NOPE...we are going to shut the internet off today to help save $$$...The current world we live in would change drastically.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by razzulx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadly I think the goverment needs to get involved just like they did for Water / Power.

The internet as it is today is needed for our society to function, I couldn't even deposit money into my bank when their internet was down.

Could you imagine one day the internet companies just being like NOPE...we are going to shut the internet off today to help save $$$...The current world we live in would change drastically.

My point exactly, we (the citizen) have become sooooooo dependant on the "Internet" that we can't even function in society without it. Talk about a flawed society. To think government involvement makes it better is farcical. They wanna make you even more dependant.

Reality doesn't mean you can't stop the insanity that's going on. The problem is when people aka Americans can't get what they want right this second they run to government to provide it. I don't understand this idea that because something u want is unaffordable you have a Right to Tax, Steal, Plunder others to get it, beneficial to society or not.

[ronasch]

Net neutrality = government involvement

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point exactly, we (the citizen) have become sooooooo dependant on the "Internet" that we can't even function in society without it. Talk about a flawed society. To think government involvement makes it better is farcical. They wanna make you even more dependant.

America can certainly "function" without it, we did for 200 years. However, America would fall behind the rest of the world without the Internet and quickly lose any status it has any kind of leader in technology, economy, or culture.

Reality doesn't mean you can't stop the insanity that's going on. The problem is when people aka Americans can't get what they want right this second they run to government to provide it. I don't understand this idea that because something u want is unaffordable you have a Right to Tax, Steal, Plunder others to get it, beneficial to society or not.

You keep positing this position, when I don't believe anyone here is making the counter-argument to tax everyone for free monthly internet service.

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Net neutrality = government involvement

You still obviously do not understand the basics of what net neutrality is and implications, if that is all you have to say about it.

[Swish]

In the UK there's people who don't pay their water bills, or at least they put them to the back of the pile.... because water is a basic human right and they aren't allowed to disconnect it etc.

Not sure that applies to internet though, really?

[Champion_Standing]

The right to send and receive unlimited amounts of data

1st step towards a true transhumanist future.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The right to send and receive unlimited amounts of data

1st step towards a true transhumanist future.

Time to enter the Oculus Rift and shed this mortal coil!

[razzulx]

And sorry no I am not saying we should have free internet for everyone when I say treat it like Water / Power.

As a utility service there is a basic standard of service that is required from the provider, they can't just be like sorry your internet is down, we will get to it when we can next week. They are required to keep a certain uptime % for water/power or get fined.