extremist muslims get lit up in texas

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can't even comprehend what the next step is from here, can you?

Given that you seem to think this event was akin to entrapment, clearly you think it should be made illegal. Of course, that kind of runs counter to the whole notion of freedom of speech. So why don't you edify us. What is your solution that doesn't involve throwing away some of our most cherished rights?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Given that you seem to think this event was akin to entrapment, clearly you think it should be made illegal.

yeah, you're still arguing a tangent that has nothing to do with what i said.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an anti-muslim hate group hosted an event on public property at which a police officer was forced to kill two muslims while defending civilians. i don't really care what your opinion is on free speech or cartoons. i care that other anti-muslim hate groups might attempt to copy this "success" and end up getting civilians hurt. you idiots are just falling for the sensationalized headlines and failing to see how this really affects the people in our country.

Did you copy this from Huffington post or something?

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way. Another that believes that it is their duty to murder anyone who violates the tenants of their religion.


And you are concerned about the former......

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you copy this from Huffington post or something?

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way. Another that believes that it is their duty to murder anyone who violates the tenants of their religion.


And you are concerned about the former......

no, i'm concerned about more idiots trying to copy this in order to set themselves up to commit justifiable homicide against muslims and getting civilians hurt or killed in the fall out.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way.

by the way, hate speech is not always a 100% protected right.

[Madbad]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you copy this from Huffington post or something?

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way. Another that believes that it is their duty to murder anyone who violates the tenants of their religion.


And you are concerned about the former......

[Glenzig]

I'm thinking due to the nature of the event, and the fact that it was Texas, that they were hoping on getting some Muslims riled up. Probably even hoping that something like this would happen. However horrible the idea was though, and regardless of whether or not you find it offensive, you could always just decide to let idiots do what idiots are going to do and not go down there and try to shoot them.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm thinking due to the nature of the event, and the fact that it was Texas, that they were hoping on getting some Muslims riled up. Probably even hoping that something like this would happen. However horrible the idea was though, and regardless of whether or not you find it offensive, you could always just decide to let idiots do what idiots are going to do and not go down there and try to shoot them.

i agree that these men (the extremists) did not use their best judgement. they almost seemed like they were prepared with ARs and body armor, and how a single patrol officer took both of them out with nothing but a side arm screams that they just weren't trained well enough to carry out such an attack. but it's just going to escalate from here if hate groups continue to organize these kinds of rallies. next time, they will be trained. we can only hope that there are no civilian casualties.

as far as the first amendment is concerned, it only guarantees the right to peaceably assemble. if you're a hate group that's organizing rallies with the hopes that extremists will show up to fight, you are not protected by the first amendment. we need to stop issuing them permits and stop them from holding their rallies on public property.

the line that has to be drawn is that are we doing this as a free speech demonstration or is this an anti-muslim demonstration. this could easily spiral out of control with more and more anti-muslim rallies being held knowing that some extremists cannot peacefully accept that. if we continue to have them, what happens when foreign fighters trained in guerrilla warfare start appearing to actively combat them?

i do not have any problem with the way this played out. the loss of life is always tragic, but the decision had to be made to save civilian lives. i would support it every time. i just don't want to see it unnecessarily costing civilian lives just to bait out a few extremists that would have otherwise kept quiet and kept to themselves.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i agree that these men (the extremists) did not use their best judgement. they almost seemed like they were prepared with ARs and body armor, and how a single patrol officer took both of them out with nothing but a side arm screams that they just weren't trained well enough to carry out such an attack. but it's just going to escalate from here if hate groups continue to organize these kinds of rallies. next time, they will be trained. we can only hope that there are no civilian casualties.

as far as the first amendment is concerned, it only guarantees the right to peaceably assemble. if you're a hate group that's organizing rallies with the hopes that extremists will show up to fight, you are not protected by the first amendment. we need to stop issuing them permits and stop them from holding their rallies on public property.

the line that has to be drawn is that are we doing this as a free speech demonstration or is this an anti-muslim demonstration. this could easily spiral out of control with more and more anti-muslim rallies being held knowing that some extremists cannot peacefully accept that. if we continue to have them, what happens when foreign fighters trained in guerrilla warfare start appearing to actively combat them?

i do not have any problem with the way this played out. the loss of life is always tragic, but the decision had to be made to save civilian lives. i would support it every time. i just don't want to see it unnecessarily costing civilian lives just to bait out a few extremists that would have otherwise kept quiet and kept to themselves.

Umm, there's no rational reason to try and kill someone for drawing a cartoon.

If you do this in Texas in front of police, you get shot to death.

It's illegal to attempt murder. It's legal to draw cartoons of prophets. How is anyone in the wrong except those who showed up somewhere with solely a murderous intent. Telling these people they can't organize a cartoon-drawing event is catering to murderous extremists who believe it's acceptable to end a human life for drawing a cartoon of someone. The solution to the problem you lay out is for these kinds of people to NOT show up and try to murder everyone involved. What kind of yellow-bellied pussy are you?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is anyone in the wrong except those who showed up somewhere with solely a murderous intent.

how do you know that the rednecks who organized this event did not show up solely with murderous intent themselves?