Rampage stall on VS kill

[Frieza_Prexus]

Never attribute to malice what can be written off as stupidity.

Look, we're all experienced burger flippers and fry technicians here, but when the new kid comes in and ruins all the food because he has no idea what he's doing and gets fired for it, what are we going to do? Hire another idiot teenager that's going to mess things up again.

P99 raiding is a meat grinder. This doesn't mean that it's right for these things to happen, but you have to remember that when it takes 4 weeks to learn how to work the deep fryer you'll never have it working right when everyone quits after 3 weeks.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never attribute to malice what can be written off as stupidity.

Look, we're all experienced burger flippers and fry technicians here, but when the new kid comes in and ruins all the food because he has no idea what he's doing and gets fired for it, what are we going to do? Hire another idiot teenager that's going to mess things up again.

P99 raiding is a meat grinder. This doesn't mean that it's right for these things to happen, but you have to remember that when it takes 4 weeks to learn how to work the deep fryer you'll never have it working right when everyone quits after 3 weeks.

Something something something scorpion stinging a frog and everyone drowns cause that's what scorpions always do by nature.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except the claim is against Rampage.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't realize we were shifting blame to rampage.

I'm sorry, is that first one a misquote? No? You did realize you were shifting blame to Rampage, but then you were called out on it, and suddenly you realized you weren't shifting blame to Rampage? BOTH guilds are responsible for shitting up the raid scene. They always have been, no matter what they were named. You're both to blame. Quit trying to place all the blame on someone else. You do this every time you get the opportunity to shame Rampage. Truth of the matter is you both need to stop.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you use the word tactic as if implying intent

Intent is there and clear. The TMO tactic on every single raid mob is train up, kite around while raid force engages, and then FD/gate the train to leave everybody else to deal with your mess. Scum of the server.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The TMO tactic on every single raid mob is train up, kite around while raid force engages, and then FD/gate the train to leave everybody else to deal with your mess. Scum of the server.

sounds like they cant handle killing normal merbs to me

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, is that first one a misquote? No? You did realize you were shifting blame to Rampage, but then you were called out on it, and suddenly you realized you weren't shifting blame to Rampage? BOTH guilds are responsible for shitting up the raid scene. They always have been, no matter what they were named. You're both to blame. Quit trying to place all the blame on someone else. You do this every time you get the opportunity to shame Rampage. Truth of the matter is you both need to stop.

The thread is about Rampage, dawg. I didn't shift it in any direction; except towards BDA being a shit guild.

[Herp]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just jaded and expect nothing to happen to Rampage. The VS encounter hasn't changed since the zone line rules were added. We've been absolutely crushed by trains on 2 of the last 3 attempts.

The same thing always happens. Trains come from every which way, guilds get wiped the fuck out, someone manages to rebuild faster and that guilds wins. The last time we got VS it was R and there was a bit of competition but my guild had strict orders to not even enter the pit with aggro, they were only allowed to move down with harmony/lulls, no trains. Everything went perfectly fine.

We camped out for VS yesterday at the zone line anticipating a repop from that announcement. We had 30 immediately after the earthquake which should have been plenty of time to get things done. We had 4 clerics, 2 warriors, and some dps ready to go in the pit clean and buffing and got fucking annihilated.

There was a Rampage bard doing a train out, calrizien dropping about a million mobs on our clerics, and that was that. I sent a tell to snackies and his response was "well those mobs were dropped on him" and that's why nothing will ever change. It's apparently ok to use that strat of train everything. In fear there's wide open spaces to get away, you can easily fraps in fear, but VS (and Hate) are the two absolute bullshit encounters because training is ok. There's 10 different ways into the pit, can't fraps every angle from 3 different levels to see the perps, you just get fucked.

I'm sure the rhetoric is just "counter train you idiots" but that shouldn't be what's required, there should just be no fuxking trains. It's not hard to get into the pit without aggro if you're responsible. It's easier though to recklessly rush down, push mobs onto your competiton to buy time, then shrug your shoulders and demand perfect fraps from every angle plus two months of waiting to get anything accomplished.

The new rules made many encounters less painful, but Inny/Hate and VS are still the worst of the fucking worst.

Hello, I saw most of this while at LCY. There were 5 Rampage to 23 BDA at one point before Rampage seemed to have logged for a different target. To blame it on Rampage with ZERO proof seems silly, I'm sure the train attacked a Rampage at one point but does that mean its their fault? Chest trained me at LCY, is it BDAs fault now? Were those mobs not "dropped on him?" Everyone and their mother owns a recording program, stop QQing and provide evidence like every other guild does. If my logs are corrent, you had over 15 minutes to kill an uncontested VS and you failed, nobodies fault but your own. You had an additional 12 mins after said train to gather and kill VS who requires like 20 people to kill. Maybe when there's a repop you can take a big breath in and relax and stay calm, cool, and collected instead of running around like a headless chicken. Your clerics got mob agro? What did you do about that? Maybe get officers who own all your bladestoppers to kite away adds when killing VS instead of standing there in a panic unsure of what to do. Uncontested VS isn't that hard, is he?

You wiped when Rampage/TMO were diddling in Veeshans Peak doing whatever it is they do there, in an entirely different zone with probably 50 people each, you realize that, right? Bye bye then.

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Play better.

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread is about Rampage, dawg. I didn't shift it in any direction; except towards BDA being a shit guild.

And TMO uses the same shitty raid tactic as Rampage, "dawg"

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

jesus christ blue is for betas

what does that make you? you played on blue all day, everyday, for multiple years with accounts full of level 60 alts

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And TMO uses the same shitty raid tactic as Rampage, "dawg"

You realize IB (~75% of Rampage) was shitting up the raid scene about 2 years before TMO ever broke fear?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize IB (~75% of Rampage) was shitting up the raid scene about 2 years before TMO ever broke fear?

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't realize we were shifting blame to rampage.

oh, ok