Velzira Petition Clarification

[Grizzler]

Originally Posted by erog84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. The fact that the petitioner shows what proof he has, and it backs up Veltira, who was still banned somehow, just boggles my mind. AFK while I make up petitions on all the people I don't like to get them banned.

Quick question, how can someone get banned without GM approval of the Ban? I mean, if it wasn't a ban-able offense, wouldn't the GM's told the OP to pound sand or is there something I am missing?

[Veltira]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick question, how can someone get banned without GM approval of the Ban? I mean, if it wasn't a ban-able offense, wouldn't the GM's told the OP to pound sand or is there something I am missing?

GM's are so much more busy than you can imagine. Go look at how many petitions there are in one weeks time on the petition forum count. It's very possible that a GM was told i ks'ed, looked at the log and saw that Rydez did in fact FTE (by like 3 milliseconds) and was too busy to do a thorough investigation. A lot of times Sirken will just ban someone with even a little proof because that person knows what they did was wrong and wont appeal, thus shortening the amount of time that petition took. I think that this was an unfortunate accident. That being said, Rydez seems absolutely content on the fact that he was first in zone. When he proves this he has a case and is in the right I suppose. What I know is that I had the spawn timer written down on my desk and logged in some 20 minutes before the spawn window. I generally camp in surefall for this so as I zoned into QH I did a /who and it returned myself and a level 7. Not sure how much more I could have done to know i was the first to the camp.

TLDR: Not a GM's fault, who wants to spend even more time on a dumb petition.

[Lev_Mer]

From what I understand,

- OP was not present at spawn but gated in on timer

- Either someone was there or not.

- First to Engage is the rule being used here not camp lists

- The other players could not PvP therefore ??

a) the person present at the spawn longest PHSYICALLY THERE should get it
or b) you have to kill the person you are sniping the camp from


TLDR:

Veltira was camping the mob, OP gated in on timer and got the first hit. Neither could PVP a solution. Sounds like the gater tried to steal the kill and veltira won the damage contest, and is therefore innocent.

Was Veltira there when you gated in to the camp? if so, i say OP tried to KS by not being present and not being in PVP range.

Gated in and tried to snipe the camp? and failed? STFU, no bans here or petitions. Otherwise explain urself better.

[syzygyst]

An ocean of lame

[WesSide]

Hollowpoint Hollowpoint! It was Hollowpoint. I see your always looking for pvp, but your like level 20 so whats the point. Sack up, level and we can handle it like big boys. The Curse is full of special needs EQ players and I will take advantage of all of you. You will remember the name from now on.

[BardPop]

I can see both sides here, one the one hand velzira had the camp first, but on the other hand it was a "special" spawn instead of a standard 20min timer with a set ph that spawns a named. For the same reason you can't camp check say, quillmane. Imo its open to interpretation about who should have the camp. How bout a gm lays down the law and picks one or the other as right and ends the discussion once and for all

[Sancta]

It's pretty simple, the first person at Hadden spawn gets the loot rights to the camp. If it gets stolen by someone that came after the first person, they can get punished according to the rules of the server since PvP was not an option.

[Veltira]

I was unbanned a few minutes ago, it was just a crazy situation that ended up resolving itself. I am not sure who should be held at "fault" for this but heres one thing i do know: Sirken is a really good GM. He went throught he logs, took the time to do a real investigation, and showed me exactly what happened and when. He exonerated me and lifted my ban and honestly I couldn't ask for better service.

Sirken for Red GM 4 Lyfe (except when pvp teams comes out, then we want him there instead!)

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Veltira [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was unbanned a few minutes ago, it was just a crazy situation that ended up resolving itself. I am not sure who should be held at "fault" for this but heres one thing i do know: Sirken is a really good GM. He went throught he logs, took the time to do a real investigation, and showed me exactly what happened and when. He exonerated me and lifted my ban and honestly I couldn't ask for better service.

Sirken for Red GM 4 Lyfe (except when pvp teams comes out, then we want him there instead!)

I am glad you got unbanned. I now fully understand the rules. However I did not lie to a GM or try to get you banned. See below and state where I petitioned that I was there first. Cant do it?

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is my petition with a few names and unrelated OOC removed:

Wondering how kill stealing fits in. The rules state that first to engage should be applied, except on red a person should attempt to kill via PvP first.

So while I am trying to get Hadden for fishbone earring, higher levels stole my kills twice today. They should have killed me first going by the rules, but because of level range they could not.

So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?

This morning at the 9am spawn it was xxxx who took the kill after I achieved FTE with Flame Lick. At the 9pm spawn it was Velzira.

Please let me know, thank you.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:02 2015] Velzira raises an eyebrow at Tenderly.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Targeted (NPC): Hadden
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Right click on the NPC to consider him.

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] You begin casting Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] You have become better at Evocation! (142)
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] Hadden has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 182 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden's skin combusts.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:20 2015] Hadden has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:21 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Velzira regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'

[kildone]

You can kill me and your whole guild can hunt me down Im happy for that. Thats why I only role or anon when a group asks me to. If people want to just mez me forever, that's no fun so be it.