Velzira Petition Clarification

[Veltira]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick question, how can someone get banned without GM approval of the Ban? I mean, if it wasn't a ban-able offense, wouldn't the GM's told the OP to pound sand or is there something I am missing?

GM's are so much more busy than you can imagine. Go look at how many petitions there are in one weeks time on the petition forum count. It's very possible that a GM was told i ks'ed, looked at the log and saw that Rydez did in fact FTE (by like 3 milliseconds) and was too busy to do a thorough investigation. A lot of times Sirken will just ban someone with even a little proof because that person knows what they did was wrong and wont appeal, thus shortening the amount of time that petition took. I think that this was an unfortunate accident. That being said, Rydez seems absolutely content on the fact that he was first in zone. When he proves this he has a case and is in the right I suppose. What I know is that I had the spawn timer written down on my desk and logged in some 20 minutes before the spawn window. I generally camp in surefall for this so as I zoned into QH I did a /who and it returned myself and a level 7. Not sure how much more I could have done to know i was the first to the camp.

TLDR: Not a GM's fault, who wants to spend even more time on a dumb petition.

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Veltira [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's take this line by line. You are judging me based on what someone from my guild (the largest and bestest guild) said to you when I wasn't even online. This is ridiculous. Colgate is one of two reasons I came to Holo, it seems that you share a mutual admiration for his skills. You state that you've had conversations with him that are positive. So for you to say that you have an open line to communicate with Holo leadership but didn't use it feeling that you would get an unfair response is circular logic. Colgate is a lot of things: Best duelist on the server, two time BotB champ, etc. One thing he's not is unreasonable; you chose to go to a petition because you were upset. End of story. Now as for the previous spawn that i stole from you, this never happened. My only interaction with you prior to this incident was selling you a fishbone earring days ago and I was nothing but courteous.

I'm done arguing with you man, i've apologized for the misunderstanding, i've offered you the item back; what more could i possibly do to remedy this situation. You took your feelings out on someone unjustly and now you are reaping the consequences because you came to the red forums; a place where bullshit is sniffed out from moment one.

I am done as well, I cant seem to get my point across. This will be my last post on the topic.

First, what I said is that interactions with your guild have led me to believe that trying to talk things out is not viable. I know nothing of Colgates skills but he was the only member of your guild I have been able to have a civilized conversation with.

Secondly, I said that I would have possibly approached your guild leadership if the staff has answered my questions by saying that I was correct.

Third, I never asked for anyone to be punished. I asked if I understood correctly. My petition starts with 'I wonder...' It ends '...do I not understand correctly'

Fourth I appreciate your apology and offer for the earring. But that should only be based on the fact that I am correct and everyone else who posted here is wrong about the PnP rules. If that's not the case then there is no need to apologize or offer a free earring.

ps You sold me an 800pp earring the day before for 1K? Damn Im a sucker.

[fred schnarf]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was going to keep my mouth shut because I was not sure if I could say anything, but Sirken said I could post so here it is. Below I will show my petition but first let me explain.

I spent 4.5 hours one day getting Hadden timer. I spent the next few days bound at his spawn and tried to get lucky. Most times I made sure to show up first and people would show up and kill him. One guy showed up and taunted me about my guild and shouted that he didn't care who got the kill as long as Curse %$@!# did not.

Because of level restrictions PvP for the camp is not an option. In my mind, a higher level should be able to show up, kill me and take the mob. Fine. I personally am against PnP and level restrictions, as I have posted here multiple times, but if there are rules everyone should follow them. So I read the PnP policy, both for Red and Blue and questioned the GM's through a petition on how this is supposed to work.

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

not another sentence was read

[Lev_Mer]

From what I understand,

- OP was not present at spawn but gated in on timer

- Either someone was there or not.

- First to Engage is the rule being used here not camp lists

- The other players could not PvP therefore ??

a) the person present at the spawn longest PHSYICALLY THERE should get it
or b) you have to kill the person you are sniping the camp from


TLDR:

Veltira was camping the mob, OP gated in on timer and got the first hit. Neither could PVP a solution. Sounds like the gater tried to steal the kill and veltira won the damage contest, and is therefore innocent.

Was Veltira there when you gated in to the camp? if so, i say OP tried to KS by not being present and not being in PVP range.

Gated in and tried to snipe the camp? and failed? STFU, no bans here or petitions. Otherwise explain urself better.

[syzygyst]

An ocean of lame

[WesSide]

Hollowpoint Hollowpoint! It was Hollowpoint. I see your always looking for pvp, but your like level 20 so whats the point. Sack up, level and we can handle it like big boys. The Curse is full of special needs EQ players and I will take advantage of all of you. You will remember the name from now on.

[BardPop]

I can see both sides here, one the one hand velzira had the camp first, but on the other hand it was a "special" spawn instead of a standard 20min timer with a set ph that spawns a named. For the same reason you can't camp check say, quillmane. Imo its open to interpretation about who should have the camp. How bout a gm lays down the law and picks one or the other as right and ends the discussion once and for all

[Sancta]

It's pretty simple, the first person at Hadden spawn gets the loot rights to the camp. If it gets stolen by someone that came after the first person, they can get punished according to the rules of the server since PvP was not an option.

[Widan]

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can see both sides here, one the one hand velzira had the camp first, but on the other hand it was a "special" spawn instead of a standard 20min timer with a set ph that spawns a named. For the same reason you can't camp check say, quillmane. Imo its open to interpretation about who should have the camp. How bout a gm lays down the law and picks one or the other as right and ends the discussion once and for all

No, this is wrong. If you don't know the rules don't spread misinformation. Quillmane is not campable because it's a non static outdoor mob. Hadden is a static mob, and thus campable. It's all very clear, no interpretation needed. Feel free to look at the links I posted previously if you do not understand.

[BardPop]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, this is wrong. If you don't know the rules don't spread misinformation. Quillmane is not campable because it's a non static outdoor mob. Hadden is a static mob, and thus campable. It's all very clear, no interpretation needed. Feel free to look at the links I posted previously if you do not understand.

Ok so quillmane is a outdoor mob, what's that got to do with anything? Seafuries are outdoor, so is hadden. Furthermore I am pretty sure on blue they a lot each seafury spawn to one person when necessary, so that throws your argument that outdoor roaming mobs can't be camped out the window. If a seafury spawn (roams once it spawns same as quillmane) can be camped why not other things that roam?