Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time - Page 6

Nuggie · #51 03-10-2015, 09:10 PM

You're putting words in my mouth Dald. No, I dont. I think people that want to play here should adhere to the rules of the server.

But as a root problem, I think the tactics being used should looked at first. Not the disciplinary actions.

So, why allow train pulling in the first place?

Do any of you remember when Conquest of Lanys got disbanded and several of their members banned for trying to use the bridges to block aoe's from the warders? The live CSR staff simply let it be known that the encounter wasn't designed for that type of tactic to be used. So don't do it.

If the train pulling is causing the problems then do not allow guilds to use it. Make them clear the mobs.

Blaza · #52 03-10-2015, 09:17 PM

Perma Root raid mobs. Trash can be trained around/out but would still require a raid force getting to mob location, which would at least involve the skill of dodging trains.

It is a top-heavy server, with some animosity between players, so shortcuts and "dirty" tactics (whether resulting in a raid suspension or not) are frequent. Also, people make mistakes. Past guild/player history should come into effect in determining a suspension, not a 'one size fits all' punishment.

arsenalpow · #53 03-10-2015, 09:19 PM

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Perma Root raid mobs. Trash can be trained around/out but would still require a raid force getting to mob location, which would at least involve the skill of dodging trains.

It is a top-heavy server, with some animosity between players, so shortcuts and "dirty" tactics (whether resulting in a raid suspension or not) are frequent. Also, people make mistakes. Past guild/player history should come into effect in determining a suspension, not a 'one size fits all' punishment.

Fuck it, root raid mobs and make it so 96% isn't the summon requirement, they can summon at 100%

Orruar · #54 03-10-2015, 09:22 PM

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or maybe you dipshits should abolish the rules and let blue return to a game of moderate skill instead of extreme petitionquest

Got any Larrikan's masks for sale?

HallyVee · #55 03-10-2015, 09:35 PM

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Not only that, but this change would result in rule lawyering becoming more important as guilds try to get out of suspensions and get their competition suspended.

I can't speak to the rest of your argument but this part is like saying we shouldn't criminalize bank robbing because the bank robbers would then have incentive to rob banks to pay for their lawyers, who defend them from bank robbing charges.

YendorLootmonkey · #56 03-10-2015, 09:45 PM

Sirken should just host a weekly Judge Judy-esque public trial on Twitch to go over the presented evidence, determine guilt, and dish out the sentence. I would watch that.

kaev · #57 03-10-2015, 09:50 PM

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I can't speak to the rest of your argument but this part is like saying we shouldn't criminalize bank robbing because the bank robbers would then have incentive to rob banks to pay for their lawyers, who defend them from bank robbing charges.

Congratulations! You have attained a full and complete understanding of the p99 raid scene and the means used to regulate it.

HallyVee · #58 03-10-2015, 10:02 PM

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This thread is the reason I looked at the raid scene 2 years ago, and said, nope! I've been a hardcore EQ raider before in my life, but this is not the place for it. I really struggle to even understand the point of the loot treadmill in a stagnant MMO. If you can kill VP mobs you can get gear to... kill VP mobs?

Epic mobs I get - everyone wants their cool pixel-epic. But just, well-statted gear? What for? What do you want to do with it? Raid more VP? You can already raid VP... Sweet items that let you... farm items for alts? Just make an alt!

In actual progression MMOs you raid to be ready for the next tier. There is no new tier here. You're doing it just to do it. How someone can sit down for 4+ years killing the same 32k dragons just.. it's mind-boggling. And the rules and the heartache and the gnashing of teeth, please folks, take a good look at yourself and ask, why am I a pumpkin?

Surely this is hyperbole, and you realize some simply raid for fun, literally for the fun of group play? Honestly, I'd raid even if I never got a single item drop, ever. It really is a valid gaming goal, the experience rather than the progress derived.

Triangle · #59 03-10-2015, 11:23 PM

double post

Triangle · #60 03-10-2015, 11:24 PM

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Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

Pretty sure Orruar was the raid leader of Triality way back in Classic EQ...