Alright, IB, Dozekar and Blackwater, knock it off

[Ridic]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here are some definitions of flaming and trolling based on classic usage.

Websterz or its wrong.

[Ezalor]

Who go by John Doe. An affidavit such as this carries perjury. None of it could be prosecuted, even if they were made up.

This is a critique of the toothlessness of affidavits, not a critique of the veracity of the charges. Can you tell the difference?

Even at that by executive action they could be shut down with a single utterance of many government officials who have not done so.

So, you're assuming all allegations of misconduct by Blackwater must be false because those with the executive power to reign in Blackwater haven't already done so?

If you really can't see the flaws in that logic, allow me add you to my ignore list.

[Dominick]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a critique of the toothlessness of affidavits, not a critique of the veracity of the charges. Can you tell the difference?



So, you're assuming all allegations of misconduct by Blackwater must be false because those with the executive power to reign in Blackwater haven't already done so?

If you really can't see the flaws in that logic, allow me add you to my ignore list.

Poor wounded king defense then? Go ahead and add me, it doesn't matter to me.

These are toothless affidavits, that are not credible, and don't have charges that can be proved. How do you show in a court of law that Prince hates Muslims?

I posted a link to the affidavit because it proved the case clearly that these are political stunts not documents that we would file to end an injustice.

My point that is if an executive who can prevent a crime, does nothing with knowledge a crime is occurring, then they are culpable morally if not legally.

Obama is supposed to be "hope and change" but if such horrors are happening now, then they are his responsibilities. it doesn't look like he believes that murder of federal agents, rapes of American soldiers and all the innocent civilian deaths are worthy of note.

Even if he was somehow unable to cancel a contract that most every federal contact auditor can cancel with a simple memo, don't you think he would have made a speech or maybe even invited Blackwater over for a beer summit?

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Dominick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point that is if an executive who can prevent a crime, does nothing with knowledge a crime is occurring, then they are culpable morally if not legally.

That's an entirely different argument than you presented before. Now you're talking about to what extent a state's figurehead should be held liable, legally or morally, for the misconduct of a government-contracted private mercenary force.

I'm talking about your previous post, where you stated that allegations of misconduct against Blackwater are necessarily false, precisely because Blackwater has yet to be held liable for any misconduct by the United States government's executive branch.

Simplified, this is the "___ never happened, because ____ would have punished them for it" argument.

According to this theory, insider trading and stock fraud never occured.. The SEC would've shut them down!

Contaminated food products are never hit the shelves of grocery stores, the USDA would've shut them down!

Are you seriously that daft? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bubbles]

Wow this got de-railed into, like, the most boring thread ever.

[Dominick]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking about your previous post, where you stated that allegations of misconduct against Blackwater are necessarily false, precisely because Blackwater has yet to be held liable for any misconduct by the United States government's executive branch.

There are not new, when Obama took office, he would have been briefed. There has been three (two and one coming up) annual contract reviews that he or his administration could have acted on and killed the funding.

He could have made a speech that Blackwater was a mean icky poo company, but not a peep. He can call conservatives names in a speech but he can't address such an injustice that you claim happened?

I appeal to the logic that a purportedly "progressive" "hope and change" administration would not reward people who rape service people and murder innocent civilians by paying them on a fat contract. I am not talking about liability, as in a suit or charges. I am talking about cancelling an "at will" services contract, that the government can cancel in a half hour after deciding to cancel it.

The contracts with these and other security firms are written so that if you don't need them, you send them home. There are hundreds of these firms in theater, ready to work, and able to be paid. They could replace the Blackwater people with new people for liberal political groups to make allegations against.

Its like you discover your yard workers are beating your neighbors puppy. You go outside and fire them, you don't have to keep them, unless you discover the allegation was unable to be proven.

His administration can recall eggs because a few people got a stomach ache from salmonella. His administration can try to ban drilling across a whole seabed, because one well went horribly bad. He can apologize about the United States being such a bad player internationally.

He didn't do any of those things I would expect a sane administration to be able to do. He actually awarded Blackwater a new contract, and that has thrown a lot of doubt on the claims they are an army of rapists and murderers.

http://tinyurl.com/2d4segh

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you seriously that daft? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you seriously think that advances your argument?

My original point can be summed up as the motivations behind Blackwater and other contractors are political.

Either Obama is complicit in Murder and rape or the allegations are not credible.

[ryuut1]

for the money they pay blackwater, i'd go back and do whatever they fucking told me to do.

[Alawen Everywhere]

It really scares me when Abacab delivers the most rational argument in a thread.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really scares me when Abacab delivers the most rational argument in a thread.

no, it shouldn't. he's probably one of the few people that actually makes informative and genuinely truthful posts in RnF. Sometimes you just gotta weed thru some of the other ones to pick them out =P

[taxi2]

I love how loke presents the alternatives.

Would you like a private firm of mercenaries known for their trigger fingers in Iraq or would you like to see soldiers in the streets?

How about a civilian response team, trained for disasters like this, is that like so far-fetched and socialist for your mind?