Question for GMs: Forward LNS

[krazyGlue]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy calling LnS from feerot last night would have to be considered calling Force LnS because the fight involved more than 7 people on both sides the fight happened across multiple zones. He can't call LnS as an individual it has to be his whole "Force".

After the person called LnS (You don't have to say "Force") and loots his corpse + leaves affected zones. Azrael+supporting guilds are locked out of anywhere the fight was taking place CT, Feerot, SK, NK, RM and Lake Rathe for 1 hour.

The guy calling LnS from Feerot can zone into Fear if it was "Force" LnS.

Thats all I got boys. Rules should probably say the word "Force" is required.

At no point in time did azrael have more then 5 in the Zone/ feerrot

[Nirgon]

We asked Sirken

Not Madstab

Get your eyes checked

[Edgat]

Originally Posted by Pseudechis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=148787

"Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account."

Moving forward to an objective is not retreating to safety. It is bypassing PvP to achieve the desired outcome and is not the intent of LNS rules.

But hey all I did was read what Sirken posted, you could perhaps do the same before busting out the aspergers.

Actually it is he is retreating to the safety of his raid force in an adjacent zone

This is not Sun Tzu Art of War shit. Stop trying to over complicate it with theoretical tactical advantage garbage.

You had a force outside that was afraid to zone in and contest and/or not able to zone in due to GM orders.

[Pseudechis]

Originally Posted by MavstabYoudead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you do realize the first two sentences are on bind camping and then he goes on to talk about LnS rules, right? Didn't think you did....

This is part of the LNS rules. the person LNSing is expected to retreat to safety, lawyer it up all you want, moving forward into the Plane of Fear which is the objective is not retreating to safety. it is bypassing PvP through a loop hole. It's really simple here.

1. If a group of 3 who are part of a larger force in an adjacent zone die can they individually LNS or does that require force LNS. I would say force LNS is required.
2. Is moving forward to join your "force" retreating to safety as intended by the rules or should that smaller part of the force be required to "retreat" as the rules state.

Lawyer it up all you want. Clarity on the topic will help everyone play nicer together in the future.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a guild LNS' from TT then they need to leave the zone in a reasonable time frame. Their options are go into Seb, or go to another zone. As soon as they zone into Seb you can kill them again and force them to call LNS there. Or if they choose to go to another zone then they cannot go back into TT on the way to Seb for 1 hour, otherwise they are in violation of LNS policy.

I don't see what's so complicated about this. If you don't want them to LNS into Seb then kill them in Seb if they zone in, or if petition if they don't leave TT within a reasonable time frame.

Assume a guild dies in TT trying to go to Seb and they call LnS. They buff up completely in FoB or EJ. You are okay with them coming in all at once in TT to loot then going directly into Seb after 5 mins?

If you are okay with that it is your opinion, but it is valid for others to argue against that situation and think it is wrong. The point of LnS is to allow you to go do something else, not progress to the end goal of getting the raid target.

[Akalakamelee]

"Retreat to saftey" I guess that might apply to a single under geared lvl 46 going into fear, but a few highey geared 60s could pretty easily clear the entire mobs of fear. So in their case the can retreat to the saftey of fear since it is safe for them. The rules are very clear if you read them. It isn't a loophole, it's following the rules word for word. Sorry holo, your loss on this one pals.

[Widan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assume a guild dies in TT trying to go to Seb and they call LnS. They buff up completely in FoB or EJ. You are okay with them coming in all at once in TT to loot then going directly into Seb after 5 mins?

If you are okay with that it is your opinion, but it is valid for others to argue against that situation and think it is wrong. The point of LnS is to allow you to go do something else, not progress to the end goal of getting the raid target.

You are not allowed to spend time buffing up while LNS'ing. Furthermore, if you did that would not be LNS'ing in a reasonable time frame and would be breaking the rules.

No one is going to be fully buffed up and looted within 5 minutes anyways so I don't think this scenario has any merit.

[krazyGlue]

So everyone agrees holocaust was wrong by trying to force us not to zone into fear . Since it wasn't a contested zone ( no fresh or holocaust ) was in there . ...

[Doors]

Azrael pvp = lawyerquest the fuck out of everyone. Great thread.

[krazyGlue]

Nothing to lawyer quest . We didn't get death touched by sirken like holo members did last night . /shrug we are a guild that follows the rules and enforces them on our members