Paris Has Just Been Culturally Enriched

[Ennewi]

Going to make the assumption that no one else here has been personally subjected to religious extremism. It's one thing to watch/read about something and get angry, but it's an entirely different beast altogether having to experience it firsthand.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's time to stop tolerating people who do not deserve to be tolerated.

Funny/sad, that's exactly the attitude the fundamentalists had towards me. Depends on the perspective of who is and isn't deserving :\

It is odd though, when intellectuals adamantly defend groups which themselves are against the education that those intellectuals benefited from. That being said, a person can accept certain elements of a belief system while also opposing other parts of it. As with any other relationships that exist, it's complex. One example being President Nixon, who was a crook but a crook who also signed the Endangered Species Act. Being able to separate the good from the bad with anything is the point some are trying to make in this thread I think, otherwise it's a matter of dealing in absolutes...which is often done towards America for its part in propagating much of the same barbarity, only with different tactics, sometimes subversively, and on a larger scale.
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Imo the burden is largely on the individual, thanks to all of the categories people identify themselves with and take offense for by association. And individuals will sometimes "sacrifice something of great value, especially life itself, for the sake of principle" and unfortunately that's what occurred recently in France -- the principle being that of expression.

For every rigid and impersonal system in place there are ways of subterfuge, including satire, to rehumanize the population as a whole and no one group excluded. It just takes time is all.

But really though, Cthulhu > Flying Spaghetti Monster

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming the wife isn't beheaded by the husband in the process. Like this guy, who also happened to be the founder of a TV station devoted to help "balance negative portrayals of Muslims".

Wow.. yeah, that husband sure doing a great job showing us what islam is all about. What an asshole...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's so weird to me that some of you defend murderous Islamists, who kill people under Sharia law for homosexuality or adultery, while still calling yourselves feminists and standing up for gay rights. How stupid can you be?

God help this gay muslim here.

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That's what first-world progressive feminism is all about. Glad to see you've had a glimpse of reality, however you've merely dipped your toe into the ocean.

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Now choose.

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sidelle, no one is defending those murderous bastards.

Except every single self described "progressive" in the US, Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, and a slew of other countries. I hope you realize that part of this political correctness crap is calling anyone who wants to hold these animals accountable for their actions an "islamophobe".

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To disparage my own group a bit, a lot of liberals have a weird psudo-religious belief that all religions are good inherently. The big exception is atheist liberals. Some of you might have saw this awhile back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Basically the anti-intellectual elements of the left (and we have them just like the right does) refuse to even honestly address this topic. They just pull a Affleck and call it bigoted (while turning slowly purple).

This is unfortunately starting to change as well. The progressive left is becoming more puritanical with every protest, complaint and push. They are trying harder to insert their agenda into music/movies/books/video games more than any of the right winged Christians ever did in the 60's/70's. It's become a literal cult.
People also really need to break out of this left/right dichotomy trap. Both sides are equally horrible for different reasons, I know you desperately want to call one the lesser of two evils but I'm sorry to say it's demonstrably not so.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole push for population growth is driven by greed, because it fuels GDP growth. Need to just tone down capitalism and let the population decline, there are way too many people on Earth anyway. Plus the West is moving toward a post-scarcity economy.... at least some parts of Europe are. US will lag way behind.

Here in the USA, the people who are in charge of whether or not immigrants are allowed in, are also in charge of, or subject to the influence of, massive corporations, lobbies, and business interests, which want the cheap labor. It has always been that way.

I'm really curious why Europe won't get it under control, their representation is more functional. I'd guess a culture of tolerance and a general sense that "If you disagree with multiculturalism you are a racist satan Hitler".

Europe is all sorts of fucked. Have you seen Sweden's new foreign policy administrator?

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what first-world progressive feminism is all about. Glad to see you've had a glimpse of reality, however you've merely dipped your toe into the ocean.

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Now choose.

Except every single self described "progressive" in the US, Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, and a slew of other countries. I hope you realize that part of this political correctness crap is calling anyone who wants to hold these animals accountable for their actions an "islamophobe".

This is unfortunately starting to change as well. The progressive left is becoming more puritanical with every protest, complaint and push. They are trying harder to insert their agenda into music/movies/books/video games more than any of the right winged Christians ever did in the 60's/70's. It's become a literal cult.
People also really need to break out of this left/right dichotomy trap. Both sides are equally horrible for different reasons, I know you desperately want to call one the lesser of two evils but I'm sorry to say it's demonstrably not so.


Europe is all sorts of fucked. Have you seen Sweden's new foreign policy administrator?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

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[BarackObooma]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One example being President Nixon, who was a crook but a crook who also signed the Endangered Species Act. Being able to separate the good from the bad with anything is the point some are trying to make in this thread I think, otherwise it's a matter of dealing in absolutes...which is often done towards America for its part in propagating much of the same barbarity, only with different tactics, sometimes subversively, and on a larger scale.

Not to go too much off track but I find it hilarious how many liberals make out Nixon to be such a horrible villain for wiretapping a hotel room and Obama wire taps millions of innocent people worldwide and hardly a peep.

[Danth]

Incidentally, some groups here in the U.S. live autonomously, so there's precedent for it even in this country. The Amish around here don't attend the same schools as ordinary folks, don't pay the same taxes, and resolve many of their disputes using their own internal systems. On occasion they actively oppose or stymie local law enforcement when disputes with outsiders arise. They're pacifists, though, so physical violence is almost unheard of and they've no interest in imposing their views outside their own communities.

I suppose that's one of the important distinctions between Christianity and Islam: Christianity's central figure was a small-time carpenter who preached love and forgiveness. Islam's central figure was a conquering warlord, rapist, slaver, and mass murderer. It shows.

Danth

[Jarnauga]

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You guys are a bunch of morons.

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

[Lune]

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You guys are a bunch of morons.

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

I know how badly you want to believe there's just a few wacko Muslim extremists out there, and the rest of them are like you, they believe in personal liberties, that women aren't property, and have a respect for the rule of law, objective thinking, educational attainment, and the common law tradition. But it's just not true. Even the majority of 'moderate' Muslims are members of a fucked up, retrograde culture.

I'd like to emphasize it's less about the religion, and more about the culture. Muslims in the Arabic world and southeast Asia tend to have similar cultural values, which they kept when they immigrated to the West.

If Muslims give their religion the Christian treatment (which is to just start ignoring all the fucked up things in the old testament and following only what is compatible with our progressive culture), I would have far less problems with Islam.

European culture is literally the best thing to happen to the human race to date. I'm tired of regressive scumbags trying to shit on it.

[Ahldagor]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone haven't worried about shit since [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] aired years ago. No hullabaloo was made with [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Islamists use their religion to justify their political ends much like crusader christians, and this culture war isn't going away until the Middle East is secularized.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You guys are a bunch of morons.

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

Proof of him being a Muslim?

Also, I like how you bring up Christianity, and as much as I love defending Christians, I was unaware that Charlie Hebdo was christian. I thought it was a leftist magazine that satirized Jews, Catholics, Muslims, and everything in society that it disagreed with. Funny how only Muslims got so offended that they had to resort to violence. Also, it's funny that you bring up Malala. Remind me, who was it that attacked her, for the great sin of TRYING TO BE EDUCATED AS A FEMALE? I mean holy shit. How do people defend this.