Anyone here a Muslim? If so question for you...

[jarshale]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a strange loving god that stakes salvation on believing in him on bad evidence.

Why do some people swallow the bad evidence and some don't?

I think it's a mental defect meriting death for the sake of humanity's progress.

Pras

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

most muslim's wouldn't do that either, just the crazies.

opinions incoming!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3uVARNhmM

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what he means is, as with any information, one must always consider the source, be it a news outlet or a historical text or the back of a cereal box. Bias is inherent, as are motives. And considering that Muhammad, Jeshua and Siddhartha were all said to be illiterate, the source is sketchy at best. That said, the actual etymology behind what is written down, in respect to the Abrahamic religions at least, shares a common, unmistakable theme that gets lost in translation and, to a greater extent, interpretation.

Though dated, this documentary pretty much answers the OP's question with the same resounding "yes"...at least in theory, in practice it's all going to (holy) shit. Good luck finding a copy of that documentary btw, can't even remember the title of it but do remember watching the whole thing in a Religious Perspectives course, which makes me an expert on the subject obviously [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Yeah that's pretty much my point though. Bias will always exist. So if the basis for non belief in something is that men with bias wrote it, then there is nothing that can be believed or trusted.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rwanda... jesus girl

oh right thugs (any black person) doesnt count

Lol what? I was using the Bosnian War as a devil's advocate example of fairly recent Christian-on-Muslim genocide. What happened in Rwanda doesn't really have a place in that particular argument, wouldn't you agree?

Sweetie, take a deep breath and unclench your bunghole. Lol

[Mandalore93]

Would someone please explain to me the logical basis to consider one's own religion superior to that of others? I am legitimately asking as I don't understand how that works. Is it based on statistics regarding education, wealth, and happiness? A view of one's own holy book being superior to another?

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would someone please explain to me the logical basis to consider one's own religion superior to that of others? I am legitimately asking as I don't understand how that works. Is it based on statistics regarding education, wealth, and happiness? A view of one's own holy book being superior to another?

Depends what you value. But I don't think my religion is superior. I just think my mother is a good enough example to follow. I've read the Avesta, some Upanishads, the bible, and I like all of those in addition to the Kitab (Baha'i holy book)... I just don't feel a compelling reason to convert.
I've also read the quran and Old Testament, and think they're garbage. In addition, chinese religion focuses on obeying authority, which I don't respect. But I don't care what people believe tbh

Superiority never comes into it. I'm q Baha'i, if other people are different things, I really don't give a damn

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would someone please explain to me the logical basis to consider one's own religion superior to that of others? I am legitimately asking as I don't understand how that works. Is it based on statistics regarding education, wealth, and happiness? A view of one's own holy book being superior to another?

Your god was taught to you as the right one from an early age, and any spiritual experiences you've had since have always been in the context of that god. Other gods are just claims of other people with experiences you've never had.

So in other words the experience you've had is always superior to the experience had by others that they describe to you. Nothing logical about it, just human nature.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then there is nothing that can be believed or trusted.

This ^^ One can only be reasonably certain of one's own instantaneous existence. All else, including one's past and future, must be accepted with varying degrees of associated uncertainty. Welcome to the reasoned world of a skeptic <3.


On topic though and to nobody in particular:

I think the fundamental difference people continue to ignore (though it has been pointed out many times) is the foundation upon which these religions stand. The teachings of Christ promote peace & acceptance. The crusades are example of the danger of empowering any institution absolutely. Doing so will necessarily attract those who wish to wield that power whether they agree with the principles of the institution or not.

The Qur'an teaches intolerance. Read it. That is a problem because even though many or even most muslims do not violently enforce intolerance, it is still a fundamental cornerstone of their religion. If you have not practiced a religion from birth (let alone not at all) you cannot understand the magnitude of this problem (for the rest of us). As already indicated in this thread, the Qur'an is not just a book of faith, it is a system of governance and while killing another muslim is sin, killing a non-muslim is not. Read it. That is a problem.

As for the old testament, well with regards to Christianity that is checked by the new testament or the teachings for Christ for which Christianity is named. So if as a Christian you are relying on the old testament to preach intolerances that were clearly overturned in the new testament, then your doing it wrong.

I'm agnostic, so no horse in this race, I just get sick and tired of the knee-jerk "Islam is a religion of peace" nonsense when people haven't read a verse of the damned book. Islam is a threat to the civilized world. It boasts the most robust self-defense and most powerful/seductive expansion mechanisms of any religion, with 100% intolerance of alternative systems.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The crusades are example of the danger of empowering any institution absolutely. Doing so will necessarily attract those who wish to wield that power whether they agree with the principles of the institution or not.

Agreed, as far as Charlemagne is concerned, but iirc the Crusades were more a violent response to an equally violent Muslim expansion over a handful of centuries leading up to then. This would support the claim that "Islam is a threat to the civilized world" except that mankind, in general, is a threat to itself and few, if any, are civilized.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just get sick and tired of the knee-jerk "Islam is a religion of peace" nonsense when people haven't read a verse of the damned book. Islam is a threat to the civilized world. It boasts the most robust self-defense and most powerful/seductive expansion mechanisms of any religion, with 100% intolerance of alternative systems.

Is that you, Bill Maher? Don't make me dig through storage for old college notebooks just to "win" an internet debate. So not worth. If you really think that though, email the PhD below saying as much. Should be an interesting exchange.
Religion 102-H01: Introduction to World Religions

No horse in the race either, but it's infinitely more fun to bet on a Seabiscuit, in this case that just happens to be Islam, apparently. Tomorrow it will be Atheism or Socialism or...banana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1h0Hf5uMs

[Swish]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Islam is a threat to the civilized world. It boasts the most robust self-defense and most powerful/seductive expansion mechanisms of any religion, with 100% intolerance of alternative systems.

Pretty much my thoughts. Always testing the boundaries of tolerant liberal societies - and ending them where possible.