Late game Min/maxing class race list

[Loke]

Ive played a non ogre warrior for years, and he has tanked every raid mob outside VP multiple times successfully, so I'm by no means advocating for my chosen race/class when I say that from a min/max pov ogre is without a doubt the best warrior race. I'm pretty sure Loraen did a breakdown of the numbers and came out with something like 6% more dps, which is definitely significant if we're talking min/max.

Does that mean another race warrior can't tank everything in the game? Absolutely not. Will race make up for the player being an idiot? Nope. But holding everything equal in terms of gear and player situational awareness, an ogre will be slightly better than a non-ogre. That is also true of iksar monks, and a variety of other class/race combos. Ultimately IMO while some classes do have a "best race", worrying about that when you could spend time becoming a better and more knowledgable player is silly. Character race will never trump understanding of encounters and game mechanics - so don't stress the little things.

[kaev]

Paladin - Half-Elf because any race can sling stuns and swing Fiery Defender and toss a panicky battle-rez at that last downed clicky cleric so he can die again before the wipe finishes, but only a Half-Elf is gonna look good while doing it. The Dwarf "advantages" don't really matter to a veteran raiding Paladin, MR/STR/STA are capped at 255 and Velious raid gear dwarfs dwarven cultural.

Druid - Whatever the fuck you want because none of the racial/diety choices make any damned tiniest bit of difference for a raiding Druid trying to make himself useful. What the hell, be Human/Karana and ignore all the meaningless petty minmaxy baloney (it's okay, you don't have to be jealous of those petty little baubles, you can spend the time you save questing useful gear for your alts), maybe you'll get lucky and get to wear a robe someday.

[brecon]

[QUOTE=kaev;1696294]Paladin - Half-Elf because any race can sling stuns and swing Fiery Defender and toss a panicky battle-rez at that last downed clicky cleric so he can die again before the wipe finishes, but only a Half-Elf is gonna look good while doing it.

The only thing that matters is Human Velious Dragon Helms. Half Elf paladins, Ogre SKs, Halfling Warriors, will all live their lives in a terrible state of regret.

Seriously though, the only end-game things that matter are racial perks not stats, and the answer will always be ogre, iksar, or unimportant.

[Erati]

@Byrjun

I dont think Human druids can be Tunare.....

if they could, I need to speak to my goddess and let her know that filthy humans are worshiping the elven god...

[hammertime7795]

Ogre is the superior War race imo. Cant beat frontal stun immunity. Slam is still superior to kick due to its higher skill cap as well.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by hammertime7795 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre is the superior War race imo. Cant beat frontal stun immunity. Slam is still superior to kick due to its higher skill cap as well.

Again, I say ogre warrior stats (stamina) are far more relevant than frontal stun. Everyone who thinks you can max stamina without sacrificing raw hp/resists/other important stuff as an elf warrior is off their nut. Unless you're in class C during velious, and even then...

Slam is absolutely much much better than kick though, you're right.

That said - play what you want. I have barb warrior and shaman and a wood elf rogue and going to roll a human monk.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone who thinks you can max stamina without sacrificing raw hp/resists/other important stuff as an elf warrior is off their nut.

I cheat and use STA potions when things get serious. If you look at http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Sakuragi you can see I'm actually skimping on a number of good items (Azure Ring, NoS, SBC) just like an Ogre would because I'm stamina capped with the potion.

Originally Posted by Daldaen & Cucumbers

All that's worth noting here is gnomes and Halflings are never the best race for anyone to play ever.

Should just remove those races from game.

THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS, SCUM

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS, SCUM

Sorry man, but truth is truth even when it hurts.

[Bill Tetley]

played an ogre war for years on live and now I play a damn woodelf here for the last year and a half. I see no difference what so ever with frontal stun immunity being gone and kick seems to land just as much as slam did... dps? I parse the same as any ogre warrior in similar gear. /shrug 6% difference? doubtful

[Orruar]

Keep on rolling those ogre shaman and thinking you have an advantage of any kind. Those of us getting stunned once every 2 minutes while casting a 1.3s canni laugh at you. I'd much rather have another 160hp from innate regen rather than avoid a mildly annoying bash. And if that interrupt leads to your death or some great problem, you are bad at shaman anyway, so switching to ogre isn't going to change much. Again, I bet most of the people saying to roll ogre still use JBB at 60. The only reason you'd care about stun immunity is if you're constantly spamming a 8s bracer to do subpar dps.