Stop the Socking

[Jaxon]

Make it all random. One tracker and one roller in zone per guild. Rollers stand in a designated spot. When mob spawns all rollers have 30 secs to /rand 100.

The high-rolling guild has 5 mins to engage. If they fail to engage or wipe the next highest rolling guild has 5 mins, and so on until the mob dies.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 foot racers and 1 tracker in zone period, no others? I could get behind that. If there are specific areas that are agreed upon.

What about Trakanon, does he receive an exemption? If so, what is it? Will said exemption prevent the current poopsock he currently invokes?

Trakanon is a different Animal that people will have to discuss. I wouldn't go into this trying to make that change. Get something that is agreeable to everyone on the other spawns first and work on Trakanon after you have hammered that out.


Seb is just a tough zone to have a natural race without killing a lot of innocent people experiencing and getting your guild in trouble. You will just see guilds not worry about clearing down. They will log their whole raid force in at zone in when he pops and train down with 2 people. While everyone else runs by. It's hard to limit the uses of mage for Trakanon just because of the zone disruption it would cause otherwise. Like I said a different Animal I would approach differently after you get the other spawns figured out.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trakanon is a different Animal that people will have to discuss. I wouldn't go into this trying to make that change. Get something that is agreeable to everyone on the other spawns first and work on Trakanon after you have hammered that out.


Seb is just a tough zone to have a natural race without killing a lot of innocent people experiencing and getting your guild in trouble. You will just see guilds not worry about clearing down. They will log their whole raid force in at zone in when he pops and train down with 2 people. While everyone else runs by. It's hard to limit the uses of mage for Trakanon just because of the zone disruption it would cause otherwise. Like I said a different Animal I would approach differently after you get the other spawns figured out.

I don't have much of an issue allowing Mages to CotH on Trak.

I do have an issue with poopsocking it (cause that's dumb) with 2 preformed groups waiting at the entrance the entire window formed up ready to be CotH'd down.

Cause that sort of behavior is what pushes the GMs to think that 16 hour variance is the issue. When it isn't.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have much of an issue allowing Mages to CotH on Trak.

I do have an issue with poopsocking it (cause that's dumb) with 2 preformed groups waiting at the entrance the entire window formed up ready to be CotH'd down.

Cause that sort of behavior is what pushes the GMs to think that 16 hour variance is the issue. When it isn't.

The rules should be simple. One tracker in zone. Tracker cannot get or be involved with FTE.

And no poopsocking. That includes staging raid forces, whether they are camped nearby or just sitting waiting on a spawn. This includes being gathered in a common location, waiting for a pop, and a rapid port. Putting 5 groups in 5 diff zones, just waiting for a pop and doing little else, is still poopsocking.

No variance.

And thats all I have to say about that.

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[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seb is just a tough zone to have a natural race

This is true for pretty much all indoor zones. It just so happens that Trakanon is the only target in an indoor zone in Kunark. In Velious . . . .

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is true for pretty much all indoor zones. It just so happens that Trakanon is the only target in an indoor zone in Kunark. In Velious . . . .

Yep. It just has more to do too with the amount of people that XP/farm camps in Seb. I'd be all for trying it out myself. But there will be petitions through the roof.

[YendorLootmonkey]

If the problem is too many guilds are capable of killing too many raid targets, then scale up the difficulty of the raid targets until Velious drops. Not classic, but it addresses the unique environment we have caused by too many guilds capable of killing every raid target.

[Ele]

Bring back the iron fist of Uthgaard!

Perma-ban hammer trouble makers and people's behavior will clean up.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bring back the iron fist of Uthgaard!

Perma-ban hammer trouble makers and people's behavior will clean up.

They won't put me on staff =(

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

another brick in the wall

IMO any competition by multiple guilds for the same target in EQ is doomed to retardation. The staff have made a pretty good go of it - I just don't think its possible. The Ancient Ranger is right: the only question is whether its a super short term/intense autofire sock, a short term/intense COH ducking sock, or a long term/relaxed track-while-doing-homework sock. Hell, Forceful Entry and TMO used to poopsock Venril Sathir even when he had a 96 hour window!

The solution is repops which spread players out and are randomly timed. For some reason the staff refuses to consider altering their system to C/R + FFA repops, which would basically preserve the ratio of targets in each category while unequivocally making the raid scene more fun. I think they believe that Velious will fix everything; personally I think the raid scene should be fixed before Velious releases.