Real Question here

[Ravager]

If only there existed a server with no rules and direct competition was the whole point. You people complaining about the rules could go there and be happy, and the people who want rules and rotations could stay here and be happy.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because they have <5% of their guild willing to sit at FFA mobs tracking and <1% of their guild willing to CotH duck.

You know I love you bud, but I think this is a poor excuse.

To say that all of TMO and IB are willing to track and coth duck is a flat out lie. I'm sure they, just like you guys, have a small subset of people who do 95% of the work. That's how guilds almost always end up working.

With that said - the FFA cycle has been a complete failure and defeats the entire purpose of a "playstyle" based class system. You can't claim to be a casual guild while you're actively out-hardcoring the hardcore guilds by engaging in extreme tactics that even the hardcore crowd doesn't want to do.

IMO - eliminate FFA. R/C, repops full FFA. Make it a system that is actually based on playstyle, and let the full repops be a test of mobilization and skill.

[arsenalpow]

the other fix like i've said before is to make all FFA mobs in the cycle spawn simultaneously during the week. So this week VS, Gore, and some Vox were FFA? If one FFA mob spawns it triggers all the others to spawn. Then you won't have the coth ducking bottleneck bullshit unless everyone REALLY wanted that VS because guilds would go chase other shit

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO - eliminate FFA. R/C, repops full FFA. Make it a system that is actually based on playstyle, and let the full repops be a test of mobilization and skill.

Agreed with this.

And I don't think I ever said 100% or even 50% of Class C guild members are willing to track. Its just their subset of players willing to track is far larger than any Class R guild's. And their ability to field a large force at all hours -- specifically mid-work day hours. Late-night weekends don't tend to be an issue for most Class R guilds.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the FFA cycle has been a complete failure and defeats the entire purpose of a "playstyle" based class system. You can't claim to be a casual guild while you're actively out-hardcoring the hardcore guilds by engaging in extreme tactics that even the hardcore crowd doesn't want to do.

IMO - eliminate FFA. R/C, repops full FFA. Make it a system that is actually based on playstyle, and let the full repops be a test of mobilization and skill.

yes

[Cecily]

I think FFA has been an enormous success. Highly motivated Class R guilds take mobs from Class C guilds time to time, not often but it does happen. Which is really how it should be. Class C gave up mobs to put this system in place, not the other way around.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think FFA has been an enormous success. Highly motivated Class R guilds take mobs from Class C guilds time to time, not often but it does happen. Which is really how it should be. Class C gave up mobs to put this system in place, not the other way around.

Class C gave up nothing. Everybody gained mobs. Before this system the server was lucky to see one repop every four months.

[Pheer]

i dont have anything constructive to add to this thread, just thought id get one more reply in before it gets tossed into the pit of RNF

[Moodie]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think FFA has been an enormous success. Highly motivated Class R guilds take mobs from Class C guilds time to time, not often but it does happen. Which is really how it should be. Class C gave up mobs to put this system in place, not the other way around.

Class C didn't put sh*t in place. Rogean put this system in place after TMO/IB/FE couldn't agree to a reasonable raid solution for weeks during the raid suspensions. (Which was triggered by TMO players exploiting on 86? accounts)

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think FFA has been an enormous success. Highly motivated Class R guilds take mobs from Class C guilds time to time, not often but it does happen. Which is really how it should be. Class C gave up mobs to put this system in place, not the other way around.

you can't have it both ways! you can't say "highly motivated class R guilds" and then simultaneously QQ about coth ducking. The class system differentiates playstyle. Sure, Taken is dipping their toe into FFA by coth ducking but that doesn't mean they want to wade fully into class C where TMO and IB regularly shit all over each other and do back alley tradeoffs for all their raiding indiscretions