John VS. Juan - While you play Elf sims....

[Azure]

I love you hurb. I really do. But no, I will not be your little elven princess sex slave.

[Emile]

"It's the law of the land" when you like it; "stop blindly following laws" when you don't.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Emile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It's the law of the land" when you like it; "stop blindly following laws" when you don't.

this is rnf poetry.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Emile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It's the law of the land" when you like it; "stop blindly following laws" when you don't.

I always play chaotic good.

[Eliseus]

The issue is I have doesn't have anything to even do with the income they make etc. It has to do with the rules. It is the rules that they have to wait in line etc. Not just illegally come into the US, then just be welcomed with open arms. If they are already breaking the rules, they will probably break even more, better yet, those actually following the rules get screwed.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is I have doesn't have anything to even do with the income they make etc. It has to do with the rules. It is the rules that they have to wait in line etc. Not just illegally come into the US, then just be welcomed with open arms. If they are already breaking the rules, they will probably break even more, better yet, those actually following the rules get screwed.

Actually, they just did a study comparing states that deported immigrants for minor crimes, and states that didn't. As it turns out, there's no difference in the crime rate of the states that deported people for minor offenses; in other words, immigrants are no more likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants.

As for "those actually following the rules get screwed", I agree. But I also think that some poor guy from Guatemala who walks all the way to America to take a job no American wants so that he can support his family isn't the "bad guy", and when he gets deported I also think he is being screwed too.

Basically the system itself is screwed, and as a result people are going to keep getting screwed until it's reformed.

[Eliseus]

What I pointed out actually had nothing to do with "illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than non illegals". It was "an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules" and you actually pointed that out by commenting on deported people committing minor offenses.

I'm not saying all will, just pointing out patterns that exist even in US citizens, and just in general people.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I pointed out actually had nothing to do with "illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than non illegals". It was "an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules" and you actually pointed that out by commenting on deported people committing minor offenses.

I'm not saying all will, just pointing out patterns that exist even in US citizens, and just in general people.

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

Can someone enplane to me how these two marginally differently worded sentences are different at all??!!!

It looks pretty clear to me, Eliseus that you ARE in fact the father.. Shit I mean, that you ARE IN FACT very clearly saying that "an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

[loramin]

Right, what you said/are saying is:

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

Now that first quote as written doesn't make any sense. A) people can't be illegal, and B) you say "an illegal already breaking the rules" as if there were undocumented immigrants that weren't breaking the rules. By definition if you are an "illegal" in the sense that you violated immigration law, then you're a rule breaker. There are no "not already breaking the rules" undocumented immigrants.

But if you interpret it how I think you meant it, then (as iruniedyourday pointed out), what you're saying is that people who break the [immigration] rules are more likely to break other [non-immigration] rules. And you further assert that this is true because:

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just pointing out patterns that exist even in US citizens, and just in general people.

But the thing is, there's a world of difference between a person that sneaks in to a country to work and support their family and someone who robs liquor stores. There's no logical reason to assume that just because John (who just robbed a liquor store) IS more likely to commit crimes, Juan (who overstayed his vacation visa) is also more likely.

But regardless of what either of us assumes or thinks, what I'm trying to tell you is, academics at a university conducted a study to consider this exact question: do undocumented immigrants commit more crimes than documented American citizens? And what they found was that they are NOT.

Sometimes things we assume just aren't true, and it takes empirical evidence to make us realize it.

[iruinedyourday]

fuck! how did that happen?! crap!!! i hate how u cant edit posts in this forum damnit!... the two sentences in quotes are identical, its suposed to be the two seperaat sentences Eliseus quoted:

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

vs

"illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than non illegals".

those are two different wordings of the same statement.