John VS. Juan - While you play Elf sims....

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rust1d? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blindly follow laws? Guess you just live in your own world then...

Brilliant rebuttal.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see my point went straight over your head if you cannot see the causal connection from what I wrote. Do you also blindly believe whatever your party tells you too, and click straight ticket on the ballot?

First off, you know what they say happens when you assume right? I'm no Democrat, I'm like half Libertarian and half Peace and Freedom party. And I certainly don't do what either one of them tells me, because both are at least half-crazy.

But your point didn't (and still doesn't) make any sense: again, LGBT rights have nothing to do with immigration law. Unless you believe everything Fox News tells you, in which case you probably think that the communists, gays, hippies, democrats, uppity ******s, etc. are all conspiring to destroy this great white Christian nation .. and in that case there's no hope for logically reasoning with you.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Emile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It's the law of the land" when you like it; "stop blindly following laws" when you don't.

this is rnf poetry.

[Eliseus]

The issue is I have doesn't have anything to even do with the income they make etc. It has to do with the rules. It is the rules that they have to wait in line etc. Not just illegally come into the US, then just be welcomed with open arms. If they are already breaking the rules, they will probably break even more, better yet, those actually following the rules get screwed.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is I have doesn't have anything to even do with the income they make etc. It has to do with the rules. It is the rules that they have to wait in line etc. Not just illegally come into the US, then just be welcomed with open arms. If they are already breaking the rules, they will probably break even more, better yet, those actually following the rules get screwed.

Actually, they just did a study comparing states that deported immigrants for minor crimes, and states that didn't. As it turns out, there's no difference in the crime rate of the states that deported people for minor offenses; in other words, immigrants are no more likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants.

As for "those actually following the rules get screwed", I agree. But I also think that some poor guy from Guatemala who walks all the way to America to take a job no American wants so that he can support his family isn't the "bad guy", and when he gets deported I also think he is being screwed too.

Basically the system itself is screwed, and as a result people are going to keep getting screwed until it's reformed.

[Eliseus]

What I pointed out actually had nothing to do with "illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than non illegals". It was "an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules" and you actually pointed that out by commenting on deported people committing minor offenses.

I'm not saying all will, just pointing out patterns that exist even in US citizens, and just in general people.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I pointed out actually had nothing to do with "illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than non illegals". It was "an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules" and you actually pointed that out by commenting on deported people committing minor offenses.

I'm not saying all will, just pointing out patterns that exist even in US citizens, and just in general people.

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

Can someone enplane to me how these two marginally differently worded sentences are different at all??!!!

It looks pretty clear to me, Eliseus that you ARE in fact the father.. Shit I mean, that you ARE IN FACT very clearly saying that "an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

[iruinedyourday]

fuck! how did that happen?! crap!!! i hate how u cant edit posts in this forum damnit!... the two sentences in quotes are identical, its suposed to be the two seperaat sentences Eliseus quoted:

"an illegal already breaking the rules will more than likely still break the rules"

vs

"illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than non illegals".

those are two different wordings of the same statement.

[Eliseus]

No it's not. One is stating that illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than other people. The other is stating that illegal immigrants will more than likely, keep breaking the rules, with no reference to anyone else besides themselves, because they are already breaking the rules..... Comprehension is hard?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it's not. One is stating that illegal immigrants will commit more crimes than other people. The other is stating that illegal immigrants will more than likely, keep breaking the rules, with no reference to anyone else besides themselves, because they are already breaking the rules..... Comprehension is hard?

I guess I see what you mean here. Hmm In experience I find it the opposite.

Mexicans where I live (near the border) Are so fucking careful when they drive.

When they get into a car accident they are respectful and desperate to get the situation over as cleanly as possible so they dont get deported etc.

Generally I find they are way better than some a hole 20 something throwing beer bottles up in the air at 2 am in the middle of the road, cus there's like very little consequences in their happy legal lives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]