Class XP Penalties

[Lune]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a 46 ranger, I laugh at threads like this. I've literally never had to wait more than 15 minutes to find/create a group in CoM throughout the last 6 levels. I think the only people that have denied me would have denied any dps from their 3-4 man groups and have only gotten maybe one comment because I'm a ranger. The people who cry that they can't find groups are probably just miserably annoying, stiffs or suck at their role.

Let the people who are scared off by the penalty stick to their rogues, shamans, chanters and clerics. More raid loot for me.

Give it a try in Sebilis

[kaev]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the non-bard/chardok aoe on live was due to the fact that we were all noobs. Maybe there were a few people on live that could think outside the box but for the most part we stuck to tank and spank.

LOL. Really. On 56k modem connections with P2+Voodoo3 at best for cpu+video running the Kunark client. Yeah. Sure.

There were most definitely players then who understood the game quite well enough to do these things if they had been technically possible (I was not one of them, heh.)

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL. Really. On 56k modem connections with P2+Voodoo3 at best for cpu+video running the Kunark client. Yeah. Sure.

There were most definitely players then who understood the game quite well enough to do these things if they had been technically possible (I was not one of them, heh.)

Hold on a sec swarmin OT on my iphone. Good thing this game doesn't require a beast machine to play amiright.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stupidest post of the day right there. XP penalties are not "hard" mode, they're just a mildly annoying delay that idiot munchkins use to deny people groups. Meanwhile 100+ mob bard kites (NEVER seen on classic live, wasn't possible due to connections) plus the fucked up AE Chardok PL cartel selling levels for pp are fucking 1000% more EZMode than anything on classic live ever was.

bard kiting would have been much harder, but still possible. chardok, etc. AOE was still very possible. the key back in classic was not having any of the swarm showing up in your screen. anyone that ever tried running through the tunnel looking at the ground or the sky vs. straight ahead can confirm this.

sorry to burst your bubble but just because you personally didn't do something on classic doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that it wasn't possible. drop your rose-colored glasses

[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bard kiting would have been much harder, but still possible. chardok, etc. AOE was still very possible. the key back in classic was not having any of the swarm showing up in your screen. anyone that ever tried running through the tunnel looking at the ground or the sky vs. straight ahead can confirm this.

sorry to burst your bubble but just because you personally didn't do something on classic doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that it wasn't possible. drop your rose-colored glasses

This guy just wants to watch the world burn, and argue with everything, and anything he can.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why the hell would you add the miserable ranger dps

fur wut? Tracking, sow, harmony, DS for MT, CC, sneak (to keep aggro down assisting MT). But if you stay in cramped dungeons all the time, then no it wouldn't matter. And that is part of why I think dungeons are over-crowded with so few people on this server, cant make really worthwhile outdoor camps. Yes there are outdoor camps, but the balance tips heavily to dungeons here. A missing component.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fur wut? Tracking, sow, harmony, DS for MT, CC, sneak (to keep aggro down assisting MT). But if you stay in cramped dungeons all the time, then no it wouldn't matter. And that is part of why I think dungeons are over-crowded with so few people on this server, cant make really worthwhile outdoor camps. Yes there are outdoor camps, but the balance tips heavily to dungeons here. A missing component.

I don't know. I think this might just be partly your own biase. The best drops are typically from dungeons, the best zem's are in dungeons, so I'm going to lean more toward those factors rather than assume that they aren't camping outdoor zones because of lack of rangers. Kind of a stretch.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know. I think this might just be partly your own biase. The best drops are typically from dungeons, the best zem's are in dungeons, so I'm going to lean more toward those factors rather than assume that they aren't camping outdoor zones because of lack of rangers. Kind of a stretch.

If the dungeon is excessively overcrowded compared to outdoor zones, then you are waiting longer for a group in the dungeon rather than getting xp, on average regarding pugs. So it may be nice to have the ZEM, but doesn't help if you are not in a group or are stuck in a camp waiting for the desirable xp camp to have an opening for you.

Better drops... maybe at cap levels, but not always true while leveling. At cap it matters not regarding xp modifiers, just based on the performance of the hybrid in the group. But if leveling groups suffer the hybrid to find other spots, well there are less hybrids at cap, and which the statistics show (even not bothering to roll them). The real issue isn't item drops while leveling, but the xp of the group. This server is over four years old, item drops are less relevant now compared to launch here when they were more so.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fur wut? Tracking, sow, harmony, DS for MT, CC, sneak (to keep aggro down assisting MT). But if you stay in cramped dungeons all the time, then no it wouldn't matter. And that is part of why I think dungeons are over-crowded with so few people on this server, cant make really worthwhile outdoor camps. Yes there are outdoor camps, but the balance tips heavily to dungeons here. A missing component.

since you're cherry-picking my quote, i'll go ahead and pick part of it for you too, since apparently you missed it:

"the utility that hybrids bring is better and paired with much more useful group function in the purebred classes"

[loramin]

I say ditch the XP penalties, but not because they are/aren't classic. Clearly they are classic because Kunark had them, but clearly they aren't, because it only took classic EQ a year and a half to ditch the penalties; this server has been around a lot longer than that.

I say ditch them, classic or not, because everyone will have more fun with them gone. Really it's just that simple: ditch the penalties, get a more diverse server, and a more diverse server is more fun for everyone. Even if you never make a hybrid yourself, increased diversity means you get to see more variety in the people you group/raid/trade with.

I think everyone on the server would have more fun if there was more class diversity, and anytime you can change the server in a way that makes it more fun for everyone ... why not?