Casinos

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So not only do you refuse to give specifics on what is allowed and what isn't, which is akin to congress writing laws that nobody is allowed to read, except for the title, but now you refuse to give the reasons why the law was written in the first place? Awesome transparency there. Are we really at the point where we have too many people playing on the server and so the solution is to do everything in order turn people off?

Thank god we can compare a removing scam filled casinos on an everquest emu to an arm of a superpower's legislature. He gave you the major reason as to why it was removed, obviously there are more reasons. The simple fact of the demanding time put into CSR involvement to deal with scammers running casinos and not seeing why this is an issue is nuts. Put your big boy shoes on and walk away and stop crying over it.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He gave you the major reason as to why it was removed,

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casino's will never return.

If it was just an issue with scamming and nothing else, Casino's wouldn't be banned. We have our own reasons beyond that for removing them. Suffice it to say we've decided they are gone and won't be coming back.

Learn to read, Rais. Clearly scamming wasn't "the major reason" if casinos wouldn't be banned if it was the only thing. If you can't even keep up with a 4 page thread, you better bow out and accept the limits of your reading comprehension before even more words appear.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Learn to read, Rais. Clearly scamming wasn't "the major reason" if casinos wouldn't be banned if it was the only thing. If you can't even keep up with a 4 page thread, you better bow out and accept the limits of your reading comprehension before even more words appear.

Well I guess I can use your logical and draw conclusions and compare it to something to something pretty retarded, yet something you would think.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We hope that this change will make for a safer trading community and help protect the players on our server.

Pretending to be Orruar What do you mean help protect the players on our server? Are people being hunted down by the like of old timey mofia cainso owners? Are casinos tied to RMT and the IRS are now targeting players on the server? How about some transparency as to what constitutes "help protect the players". Why can't you be straight forward and tell us if we are about to wake up with a horse head next to us, or get an audit in the mail? Is this server so over populated that you are reporting us yourself to cut back on the players?


Before attacking someone's reading comprehension how about you understand and read the post you so oppose.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We hope that this change will make for a safer trading community and help protect the players on our server.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We hope that this change will make for a safer trading community

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A safer trading community

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So not only do you refuse to give specifics on what is allowed and what isn't, which is akin to congress writing laws that nobody is allowed to read, except for the title, but now you refuse to give the reasons why the law was written in the first place? Awesome transparency there. Are we really at the point where we have too many people playing on the server and so the solution is to do everything in order turn people off?

This is not a congress. You are not a tax paying citizen.

Unfortunately while there were plenty of legitimate people running casinos, for every one of them there were several people abusing the system. We can't single certain people out and say they are the only ones allowed to run casinos.

[mtb tripper]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are not a tax paying citizen.

Elaborate on tax paying

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not a congress. You are not a tax paying citizen.

Unfortunately while there were plenty of legitimate people running casinos, for every one of them there were several people abusing the system. We can't single certain people out and say they are the only ones allowed to run casinos.

Congress is not the only place where specific rules are placed so that there is no room for imagination and people know specifically what actions they are allowed to take. There are a million examples I could give from the real world, but how about one a little closer to home. When I launch the EQ Titanium client, the first thing I see is a EULA. This EULA is not overly vague. It is very specific about the rules regarding how you may use the software. I know you know these rules very well as you must stay within them to keep the server from being shut down due to violating this agreement. If they had written the EULA in an overly vague manner, P99 might not even exist. Or you might have put in a lot of work to create it and get it going, only to have it shut down because some new guy at SOE decided to interpret it differently. In fact, without specific rules, you would have not known how to structure the server in order to stay legal. And now you're handing down rules for your server that are so vague that nobody will know if they are breaking them or not. Do you see the disconnect here?

[Elerial]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congress is not the only place where specific rules are placed so that there is no room for imagination and people know specifically what actions they are allowed to take. There are a million examples I could give from the real world, but how about one a little closer to home. When I launch the EQ Titanium client, the first thing I see is a EULA. This EULA is not overly vague. It is very specific about the rules regarding how you may use the software. I know you know these rules very well as you must stay within them to keep the server from being shut down due to violating this agreement. If they had written the EULA in an overly vague manner, P99 might not even exist. Or you might have put in a lot of work to create it and get it going, only to have it shut down because some new guy at SOE decided to interpret it differently. In fact, without specific rules, you would have not known how to structure the server in order to stay legal. And now you're handing down rules for your server that are so vague that nobody will know if they are breaking them or not. Do you see the disconnect here?

Dude, please un-install/delete the game.

The IQ of the server population is going to rise for about 10% with you gone.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congress is not the only place where specific rules are placed so that there is no room for imagination and people know specifically what actions they are allowed to take. There are a million examples I could give from the real world, but how about one a little closer to home. When I launch the EQ Titanium client, the first thing I see is a EULA. This EULA is not overly vague. It is very specific about the rules regarding how you may use the software. I know you know these rules very well as you must stay within them to keep the server from being shut down due to violating this agreement. If they had written the EULA in an overly vague manner, P99 might not even exist. Or you might have put in a lot of work to create it and get it going, only to have it shut down because some new guy at SOE decided to interpret it differently. In fact, without specific rules, you would have not known how to structure the server in order to stay legal. And now you're handing down rules for your server that are so vague that nobody will know if they are breaking them or not. Do you see the disconnect here?

Your entire argument is that the rule is vague?

How is the rule vague?

Casino's / Gambling shops aren't allowed.

Are you really trying to rule lawyer this? If so that's pretty sad...

[zforrestal]

May I ask what these "Numerous issues are" because it seems like it's just a scamming issue that the GM's don't want to deal with.. and I don't blame you not wanting to hear people whining about a casino not paying out. But I can't think of what these "numerous issues" are.I can't see how my casino causes issues.. so how are all casinos causing an issue to warrent a ban on them?




Edit: This is very discriminating still none the less and doesn't seem right.

Re Edit: The end game raid scene causes more issues than any casino ever will...... ever...........

More Edits: Also what is stopping people from announcing they are hosting a casino but NEVER accepting any bets... Is it the action of collecting a bet and paying out thats considered banned or will even announcing it get you banned?

[Olscratch]

Does that mean you think we're RMTing? You think casinos (and all gamblers? "including, but not limited to, dice rolls, card games, "guessing" games, and any other form of gambling") are RMT'ing based on no evidence and pure suspicion. That's nice.

Cause 5k max bet surrounded by people watching you is super efficient RMT delivery.

How is monitoring all gambling with account suspensions and bans less work for GMs?