Hobby Lobby

[Estolcles]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, do you walk up to disabled people and ask them if they want a bullet?

If assisted suicide was legal, I'd would assist.

[Estolcles]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny seeing how it's Ramadan during which women aren't allowed to menstruate.

Oh thee of Abrahamic faith...

Islam is the religion of peace and love. So sayeth most Islamic terrorists.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zygotes come from sperm and eggs. Gonna connect the dots and tell me menstruation and masturbation are murder too? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


I've met my fair share of disabled people who say they would of rather not been born. So there's that...

As strawman arguments go, yours are some of the worst.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Estolcles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If assisted suicide was legal, I'd would assist.

Key word "assist." No one can make the determination as to whether or not a life is worth living but the person living it.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As strawman arguments go, yours are some of the worst.

Thank you for noticing a ridiculous place to draw the line. Now explain to the class how yours is significantly less so.

[Estolcles]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Key word "assist." No one can make the determination as to whether or not a life is worth living but the person living it.

Explain that to the doctors that support termination of an embryo when they notice it has something really wrong with it. ((I'm with the docs on that call, btw.))

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Key word "assist." No one can make the determination as to whether or not a life is worth living but the person living it.

Are parents authorized to make life or death decisions on behalf of their children? Is there a difference between a child on life support having the plug pulled with their parents' authorization and the termination of a fetus? Is there a difference between, in the case of the plan B pill, fertilization being blocked so it never occurs and strangling a 1 year old/10 year old/32 year old to death?


I say yes, but if there was a black and white answer, there wouldn't be an argument

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for noticing a ridiculous place to draw the line. Now explain to the class how yours is significantly less so.

You do realize that having a menstrual cycle is what allows a woman to become fertile and produce eggs right?

[bktroost]

What do you call people who make it their hobby to lobby against Hobby Lobby?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Estolcles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain that to the doctors that support termination of an embryo when they notice it has something really wrong with it. ((I'm with the docs on that call, btw.))

It's the exact same thing we just went over. Why is it that we can say a child with X disability should be terminated, but an adult with the same or similar problem should not? I don't want the conversation to derail into the "when does life begin" debate given that this is, ostensibly, about Hobby Lobby, so I'll simply say reinforce my position that once a being achieves person-hood, his or her rights to self-determination fully vest and should be protected from termination. Otherwise, it's no different than culling the weak from the herd.

Originally Posted by Kekephee

Are parents authorized to make life or death decisions on behalf of their children?

Parents are authorized to make decisions on behalf of their child to further the best interests of the child. Death is (or should) almost always be not in the interests of the child. The only exception being, as you mentioned, life-support cases where there is no reasonable chance of recovery which then makes the situation one of triage and not termination.