Ron Paul, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity in ATLAS SHRUGGED III

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly how is that ironic? Last I checked, kickstarter was a free market tool and doesn't rely upon coercion or force. It's just another way of peacefully and voluntarily collecting money from those who want your product. That makes it perfectly in line with Rand's philosophy.

Begging should be against Rand's philosophy. That's what Kickstarter is.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Begging should be against Rand's philosophy. That's what Kickstarter is.

In that case trying to find an investor for anything would be considered "begging"

Stop being dumb.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In that case trying to find an investor for anything would be considered "begging"

Stop being dumb.

Not really. Investing is a business deal. You put in money, you get money out. These perks are mostly non-beneficial. If you really want to follow this line of reasoning, you'd be better off saying it's more like selling goods and services, posters and autographs and trips to the studio and such, at extremely overinflated prices with the intention of using the profits to fund the movie (which is ok for Rand) and if people are dumb enough to fall for it, that's cool

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In that case trying to find an investor for anything would be considered "begging"

Stop being dumb.

Confirmed Ron Paul supporter.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Begging should be against Rand's philosophy. That's what Kickstarter is.

It could be argued that while begging is against Rand's philosophy, the freedom to give your money to a cause at your own discretion isn't. But, stronger than that is the argument that going on kickstarter and handing someone money in exchange for not only the feeling of superiority and philanthrophy from having done something for someone else, but also neat little prizes and perks increasing in neatness according to how generous you are, is fundamentally objectivist. I'm sure they would say that cancels out the "begging" argument. I'm not inclined to agree.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Begging should be against Rand's philosophy. That's what Kickstarter is.

Are you familiar with kickstarter? People donate money for specific goals and are often rewarded in various ways for the contribution. If that's what begging means to you, then I guess I was a beggar in my undergrad when my parents were paying my tuition. I was a beggar for the first 18 years of my life when I was being given free housing and food by those same parents.

And if you actually read Rand's work (which I doubt you have, other than secondhand understanding filtered through people who misrepresent parts of her philosophy) then you would know that she was not opposed to charity, which is the best way to describe kickstarter.

"The fact that a man has no claim on others (i.e., that it is not their moral duty to help him and that he cannot demand their help as his right) does not preclude or prohibit good will among men and does not make it immoral to offer or to accept voluntary, non-sacrificial assistance." -Ayn Rand

[Kekephee]

inb4 "I know you are but what am I lol you're talking about urself", and also out of here

[Lune]

I love showing the following quote to Orruar because:

1. Alan Greenspan was Ayn Rand's #1 cultist.
2. He refuses to believe both that Greenspan participated in fucking up monetary policy, and that his admission means anything.

Originally Posted by Alan Greenspan

I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organisations, specifically banks, is such that they were best capable of protecting shareholders and equity in the firms ... I discovered a flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works.

I can only hope we get to witness Orruaur's mental gymnastics as he tries to reconcile reality with his worldview-- something that is impossible when you live in a black and white world and you have a binary mind.

B-b-b-but the free market is the perfect economic paradigm, and any flaw is because somebody tried to regulate something.

I mean, who knows why the borderline socialist mixed economies like Japan, Germany, Austrlia, Sweden, Canada, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, etc etc, do so much better than us? Shouldn't all their shit be fucked up? They are happier, longer-lived, more educated, less impoverished, and just generally superior in nearly every way you can measure a country's performance, including public debt.

Those statistics don't match my worldview, they most be 100% wrong!

[Orruar]

Greenspan absolutely fucked up as fed chairman. When have I ever stated otherwise? You are making things up to make yourself feel superior. Seriously, I invite you to find the place where I ever said Greenspan was even a "good" fed chairman, let alone completely devoid of fuckups. If you want to concoct lies to argue against, I can do that to.

I love showing the following to Lune because:
1. He claims that soviet-style communism is the path to ultimate freedom and happiness
2. He claims that the soviet union was a utopia that only came crashing down because of the wickedness of the west
3. He claims that all of the claims of mass murder in the USSR are simply western propaganda meant to enrich the capitalist tycoons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_ki...munist_regimes

How can anyone take him seriously when he thinks the USSR actually landed a man on the moon first, led the world in curing diseases, and actually destroyed the US economically in the 1980s leading to the collapse of the US in 1989 and forcing the west to tear down the Berlin wall in shame? He clearly has a warped view of history.

[Champion_Standing]

If only the most dangerous and murderous institutions in human history had more power, we would all be so much better off!