why do we still have soul fires being broadcasted?

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll have regular raid, with usual clerics (gotta have them for buffs anyway) but when things do go to shit which should be rarely in Kunark, you have lots of instant get of jail free (horrible corpserun) cards.

Uh, top guilds on the server are still wiping to shit mobs like Trakanon. Things go to shit several times a week, it's not rare in Kunark at all. There's no such thing as a smooth Hoshkar or Nexona unless you're bringing 70+ people and even then...

What this means is good guild leaders / raid leaders would be silly not to stock up on soulfires prior to the release of Velious (Not classic) (depending on the mob being hit, a soulfire is as good as half to a whole cleric) it also means all the hard work and effort going into Velious is going to be trivialized by armies of soulfire wielding players (not classic) and that wiping on the new Velious content should be rare (not classic).

SoulFires are much less useful in Velious. If you're wiping to an encounter, you're just gonna wipe to the encounter. No amount of SoulFires can unfuck the vast majority of Velious raid fights - they have to go 100% smoothly or you've lost. It's not even humanly possible to react to the damage output of mobs like AoW and Vyemm, which is why CH rotations became so critical. There will be plenty of wiping in Velious, don't worry.

I think people who aren't in Class C guilds have this vision of literally everyone clicking SoulFires in a rotation to kill every raid mob. This is pretty far from the truth.

Only a handful of people ever have SoulFires on hand, and even less actually use them. Like I said, there's only a couple people I know of in my guild that are adamant about always having charges on them, and they're classes that are less useful (shaman, enchanter). SoulFire is a good way for a solo-oriented class to have a role on raids besides buff botting.

SoulFire is not as big of a concern as most people think it is. 99% of the time I'm only blowing my charges on Hoshkar or Nexona fights, and I can only think of one Nexona fight where I think my SoulFire made a substantial difference. Who knows about the other fights; I have no knowledge of the exact moments that CHs are landing on tanks.

And yes, any good player/guild utilized recharging on live. It's not even entirely classic here, since the GMs have essentially blocked certain items like the rez stick from being recharged. On live, we had a few monks that always had charged rez sticks, but that's just not possible on P99. I think the devs are attempting to strike a happy balance between classicness and fairness and are mostly succeeding.

[Bboboo]

I have no idea what half the shit in this thread means.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uh, top guilds on the server are still wiping to shit mobs like Trakanon. Things go to shit several times a week, it's not rare in Kunark at all. There's no such thing as a smooth Hoshkar or Nexona unless you're bringing 70+ people and even then...



SoulFires are much less useful in Velious. If you're wiping to an encounter, you're just gonna wipe to the encounter. No amount of SoulFires can unfuck the vast majority of Velious raid fights - they have to go 100% smoothly or you've lost. It's not even humanly possible to react to the damage output of mobs like AoW and Vyemm, which is why CH rotations became so critical. There will be plenty of wiping in Velious, don't worry.

I think people who aren't in Class C guilds have this vision of literally everyone clicking SoulFires in a rotation to kill every raid mob. This is pretty far from the truth.

Only a handful of people ever have SoulFires on hand, and even less actually use them. Like I said, there's only a couple people I know of in my guild that are adamant about always having charges on them, and they're classes that are less useful (shaman, enchanter). SoulFire is a good way for a solo-oriented class to have a role on raids besides buff botting.

SoulFire is not as big of a concern as most people think it is. 99% of the time I'm only blowing my charges on Hoshkar or Nexona fights, and I can only think of one Nexona fight where I think my SoulFire made a substantial difference. Who knows about the other fights; I have no knowledge of the exact moments that CHs are landing on tanks.

And yes, any good player/guild utilized recharging on live. It's not even entirely classic here, since the GMs have essentially blocked certain items like the rez stick from being recharged. On live, we had a few monks that always had charged rez sticks, but that's just not possible on P99. I think the devs are attempting to strike a happy balance between classicness and fairness and are mostly succeeding.

^^ Don't know where to begin.

If your wiping in Kunark and you're a top guild... maybe ditch the soulfires and learn to play without them, skip the PL'ing and learn to play your class (instead of the tens of alts you don't know how to play).

We raided on live during Kunark and we rarely wiped after gearing up because we knew how to play our classes and we had a tightknit team.

If you're incapable of understanding how to incorporate instant charges of CH into a raid and incapable of understanding how every class being capable of 5 x Lay On Hands without delay at range is overpowered then fuck, what can I say to get it through to you.

The time between when people could get Soulfires, to the time they realised they were I Win buttons if most people in the guild had one, to the time they were nerfed was 2 years.

Pretending there 'aren't that many on the server' is horseshit. Brother Hayles shouting himself hoarse and its not paladins doing the turn in.

I think you're just a little afraid that IF they were nerfed to the proper timeline (2 years after release) you'd be investing in a shitton of jade coffins learning how to raid with the abilities of your classes rather than exploiting the abiities of other classes on OP items.

Amirite... yes I am.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ikon, you dumb.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ikon, you dumb.

Nah. Just not a bad.

[Tecmos Deception]

A-Team loves their clickies. Loraen said to me just a week or two ago that loving clickies should be a requirement for any app to the guild. But I can count on one hand the number of times I've felt that using a CH clicky on a tank in a raid was warranted (and then actually clicked it). And none of those times was it a soulfire that I used, since the first CH I use when needed is a reaper. I've never seen another guildie use a CH clicky in a raid.

On Kunark content, a tank can usually just use a few stinging wort clicks to buy time for the next CH to land or something. Most members of TMO and IB probably don't have a fully-charged soulfire ready on each character at any given time (even though it's a requirement for IB full members).

Few members of the class R guilds have any CH clicky available, and even fewer would think of and be willing to use it. Even in A-Team, a significant number of members don't recharge their own hats or regularly carry something like a charged mallet because of the cost... so you can bet your ass that the VAST majority of the server is not very likely to blow through charges of a soulfire, or even use the charge on a reaper, much if ever.

Hayle shouts like 5-10 soulfires per day. Rarely is it the same person more than once a week. Etc etc.


On a non-raiding level: I bet I use CH clickies more than 99% of the server. But I'm only on my second soulfire in almost TWO YEARS on Tecmos (and it still has 3 charges I think), and I've probably recharged 7-8 reapers max.


Byrjun is spot on, imo. Imo, people who don't have experience with something on p99 get the most wacked-the-fuck-out idea in their head of what that something must be like.

[Ikonoclastia]

3 per day for 6 years is a shit ton of soulfires. Lets say 6000 vs on live a maximum of 2000 before they were nerfed.

When you have an unlimited supply of them, since if they're not pre-luclin nerfed they'll be available forever then why wouldn't you click them?

I'm not against using them I have some plans to farm things I otherwise couldn't farm as a necro with them, but I think they're going to make Velious boring as shit overall.

[Tecmos Deception]

It wasn't 3 per day for 6 years. A lot of people don't click them because it's annoying to get more (and because of reapers and stinging wort potions). They're only an unlimited supply if the server exists for all of eternity.

You honestly think that more than a handful of people on the server are willing to farm xicotl, watch for lucan, run around doing turnins... on a regular or frequent basis? Or pay Jygia to do that for them? Just to MAYBE be able to carry people who fuck something up to a success? No way, man.


Besides, I'm sure if CH clicks become so prevalent that they are trivializing raid content, the staff will ivandyr's hoop them.

[Daldaen]

It isn't a matter of guilds using SoulFire rotations to keep a tank alive against raid mobs.

It's a matter of using them as means to "tank" (aka stall) until you have a viable raid force there.

Same deal with Bladestoppers. Though those are exploited for their aggro purposes as well when splitting mobs from trains.

SoulFires wouldn't be a huge deal if FTE wasn't attainable by someone in zone when the mob spawns. This is specific to a few mobs like Naggy, VS, and Inny. Where the accepted strategy is to ignore all trash, train it with you, and Zerg DPS the boss down before the train wipes you (Inny) or the train kills someone else and you get petitioned (VS). In fairness though, guilds have gotten better about rooting every single mob and killing VS in 3 min before roots break.

[fastboy21]

I think the op was more interested in removing the world-wide announcement every time (some fool) completes the quest.

is there a date this was removed? my recollection is sometime between velious and luclin...but not sure if it ever came out during velious.